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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>>Yes Laurie, you have given yourself a heavy
handicap, which only makes your competitiveness even more
remarkable</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>I have absolutely no idea what the hell this means; but
it does sure sound pretty - you sweet talker.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>>Nevertheless, reducing the criteria for foolishness
to the quantity of comments again, ironically, sends you to the front of the
pack.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>As for equating "not being taken seriously" with a
"criteria of foolishness" is a product of you mind since the two do not
necessarily go together. Many not so stupid, not so silly, not so idiotic,
not so thoughtless, and not so imprudent statements, ideas, and/or
thinkers have not been taken seriously throughout history. The court
jesters often spoke truths and had insightful observations which they gave
articulation to in silly, foolish, and comedic ways as a façade and not as
substance; but because of the façade, they were not taken seriously.
Others expressed thoughtless idiotic things with no substance at all but were
taken seriously. All I was saying was that it may be the case that my
comments are not treated seriously; but whether or not this is the case, I do
not burden others with those remarks on a frequent and regular basis on
every occasion and in every location. My non-serious remarks are
occasional - often to lighten things up when I think they are getting to tense;
and my serious comments which others may regard a not to be taken seriously are
also infrequent as compared to those of others on and off the list. In
short, I may not be taken seriously - I can accept that; but I do not indulge
myself in engaging in a constant barrage of postings either as some who you have
me in competition with do.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com">David Green</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 20, 2010 1:34 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=ls1000@live.com href="mailto:ls1000@live.com">Laurie
Solomon</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace Discuss</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Richard Dawkins Furious At
PopeForTyingGodless To Nazis</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Yes Laurie, you have given yourself a heavy handicap, which only makes your
competitiveness even more remarkable. Nevertheless, reducing the criteria for
foolishness to the quantity of comments again, ironically, sends you to the
front of the pack.<BR></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Laurie Solomon <<A
href="mailto:ls1000@live.com">ls1000@live.com</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> David Green <<A
title="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com">davegreen84@yahoo.com</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Mon, September 20, 2010 1:10:29
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Peace-discuss]
Fwd: Richard Dawkins Furious At PopeForTyingGodless To Nazis<BR></FONT><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Maybe so; but then again David, I am not constantly
posting to this list, on the airwaves (radio and TV), or in the papers.
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri> I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't
work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness.<BR> Whenever I
fill out an application, in the part that says "If an emergency, notify:" I put
"DOCTOR". <BR> Why does someone believe you when you say there are four
billion stars, but check when you say the paint is wet? <BR> Why do
Americans choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss
America ? <BR> Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than
standing in a garage makes you a car. <BR> Light travels faster than
sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=davegreen84@yahoo.com
href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com">David Green</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 20, 2010 12:07 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=ls1000@live.com href="mailto:ls1000@live.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:ls1000@live.com">Laurie Solomon</A>
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<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace Discuss</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Richard Dawkins Furious At
PopeForTyingGodless To Nazis</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Laurie, for those of us in the running for the honor of not to be
taken seriously, you have invariably offered some pretty stiff
competition.</DIV>
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<DIV>DG<BR></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Laurie Solomon <<A
href="mailto:ls1000@live.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:ls1000@live.com">ls1000@live.com</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Morton K. Brussel <<A
href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu">brussel@illinois.edu</A>>; C. G.
Estabrook <<A href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">galliher@illinois.edu</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> E.Wayne Johnson <<A
href="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag">ewj@pigs.ag</A>>; Peace-discuss <<A
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Mon, September 20, 2010 11:59:58
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Peace-discuss]
Fwd: Richard Dawkins Furious At PopeFor TyingGodless To Nazis<BR></FONT><BR>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Funny, I have heard many people express the same
comments with respect to Carl on many occasions that he has articulated in
his post with respect to Dawkins, namely:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>><FONT face="Times New Roman">If anyone took Dawkins
seriously before this, I doubt they will now.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri><FONT face="Times New Roman">>If I thought anyone
took Ditchkins seriously, I'd propose a symposium or panel on the subject.
I doubt I'd find many takers.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT
face=Calibri>Ironically, I do have to wonder how many people are really
interested enough to actually tune into Carl's UPTV program once you
discount his small group of followers and members of AWARE.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=brussel@illinois.edu
href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu">Morton K. Brussel</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 19, 2010 11:25 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A
title="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">C. G. Estabrook</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag">E.Wayne Johnson</A> ; <A
title=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Richard Dawkins Furious At PopeFor
TyingGodless To Nazis</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>So what do you disagree with in Dawkins' reply?
Arguments would be more useful than sneers. Perhaps you should read his
book(s) and doff your parochial hat..
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<DIV>His remarks were both apt and appreciated.
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<DIV>--mkb</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks, Jenifer, for relaying these remarks. </DIV>
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<DIV>On Sep 19, 2010, at 9:44 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV>If anyone took Dawkins seriously before this, I doubt they will
now.<BR><BR>For those who are still abject believers, I recommend Terry
Eagleton, "Reason, Faith, and Revolution: Reflections on the God Debate"
(Yale UP pbk, 2010).<BR><BR>If I thought anyone took Ditchkins seriously, I'd
propose a symposium or panel on the subject. I doubt I'd find many
takers.<BR><BR>Actually, I'd be willing to host it on my UPTV program, News
from Neptune. <BR><BR>But I don't think anyone's interested enough for that.
<BR><BR><BR>On 9/19/10 9:31 PM, E.Wayne Johnson wrote:
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Most importantly, the Nazis were
German.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>That fact explains the lion's share of the
variance.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228)"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jencart13@yahoo.com href="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com">Jenifer
Cartwright</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Richard
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<TD vAlign=top>Have at it, folks.
<DIV> --Jenifer<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 9/19/10,
fransears<I>></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV class=plainMail>Richard Dawkins Furious At Pope For Tying
Godless To Nazis<BR><BR>Posted in Liberaland by Alan • September
17, 2010,<BR><BR>Pope Benedict’s speech to Queen Elizabeth in
England praised how<BR>Britain fought “Nazi tyranny that wished to
eradicate God from<BR>society,” prompting one of the world’s best
known atheists, Richard<BR>Dawkins, to proclaim it “a
despicable outrage.” What set off Dawkins<BR>is this
paragraph:<BR><BR>“Even in our own lifetime, we can recall how
Britain and her leaders<BR>stood against a Nazi tyranny that
wished to eradicate God from society<BR>and denied our common
humanity to many, especially the Jews, who were<BR>thought unfit
to live. I also recall the regime’s attitude to<BR>Christian
pastors and religious who spoke the truth in love, opposed<BR>the
Nazis and paid for that opposition with their lives. As we
reflect<BR>on the sobering lessons of the atheist extremism of the
twentieth<BR>century, let us never forget how the exclusion of
God, religion and<BR>virtue from public life leads ultimately to a
truncated vision of man<BR>and of society and thus to a “reductive
vision of the person and his<BR>destiny” (Caritas in Veritate,
29).”<BR><BR>Dawkins responds:<BR><BR>Even if Hitler had been an
atheist, his political philosophy was not<BR>based upon atheism
and had no connection with atheism. Hitler was<BR>arguably (and by
his own account) a Roman Catholic. In any case he<BR>enjoyed the
open support of many of the most senior catholic clergy
in<BR>Germany and the less demonstrative support of Pope Pius XII.
Even if<BR>Hitler had been an atheist (he certainly was not), the
rank and file<BR>Germans who carried out the attempted
extermination of the Jews were<BR>Christians, almost to a man:
either Catholic or Lutheran, primed to<BR>their anti-Semitism by
centuries of Catholic propaganda about<BR>‘Christ-killers’ and by
Martin Luther’s own seething hatred of the<BR>Jews. To mention
Ratzinger’s membership of the Hitler Youth might be<BR>thought to
be fighting dirty, but my feeling is that the gloves are<BR>off
after this disgraceful paragraph by the pope.<BR><BR>Dawkins is
urging a letter-writing campaign to British media in protest,
adding:<BR><BR>I am incandescent with rage at the sycophantic BBC
coverage, and the<BR>sight of British toadies bowing and scraping
to this odious man. I<BR>thought he was bad before. This puts the
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