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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Laurie Solomon <ls1000@live.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> David Green <davegreen84@yahoo.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Mon, September 20, 2010 1:10:29 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Richard Dawkins Furious At PopeForTyingGodless To Nazis<BR></FONT><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Maybe so; but then again David, I am not constantly posting to this list, on the airwaves (radio and TV), or in the papers. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri> I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness.<BR> Whenever I fill out an application, in the part that says "If an emergency, notify:" I put "DOCTOR". <BR> Why does someone believe you when you say there are four billion stars, but check when you say the paint is wet? <BR> Why do Americans choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America ? <BR> Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. <BR> Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=davegreen84@yahoo.com href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com">David Green</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 20, 2010 12:07 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=ls1000@live.com href="mailto:ls1000@live.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:ls1000@live.com">Laurie Solomon</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace Discuss</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Richard Dawkins Furious At PopeForTyingGodless To Nazis</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Laurie, for those of us in the running for the honor of not to be taken seriously, you have invariably offered some pretty stiff competition.</DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Laurie Solomon <<A href="mailto:ls1000@live.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:ls1000@live.com">ls1000@live.com</A>><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Morton K. Brussel <<A href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu">brussel@illinois.edu</A>>; C. G. Estabrook <<A href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">galliher@illinois.edu</A>><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> E.Wayne Johnson <<A href="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag">ewj@pigs.ag</A>>; Peace-discuss <<A href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</A>><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Funny, I have heard many people express the same comments with respect to Carl on many occasions that he has articulated in his post with respect to Dawkins, namely:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>><FONT face="Times New Roman">If anyone took Dawkins seriously before this, I doubt they will now.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri><FONT face="Times New Roman">>If I thought anyone took Ditchkins seriously, I'd propose a symposium or panel on the subject. I doubt I'd find many takers.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT face=Calibri>Ironically, I do have to wonder how many people are really interested enough to actually tune into Carl's UPTV program once you discount his small group of followers and members of AWARE.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=brussel@illinois.edu href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu">Morton K. Brussel</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 19, 2010 11:25 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">C. G. Estabrook</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag">E.Wayne Johnson</A> ; <A title=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Richard Dawkins Furious At PopeFor TyingGodless To Nazis</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>So what do you disagree with in Dawkins' reply? Arguments would be more useful than sneers. Perhaps you should read his book(s) and doff your parochial hat..
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<DIV>His remarks were both apt and appreciated.
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<DIV>--mkb</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks, Jenifer, for relaying these remarks. </DIV>
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<DIV>On Sep 19, 2010, at 9:44 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:</DIV><BR class=Apple-interchange-newline>
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<DIV>If anyone took Dawkins seriously before this, I doubt they will now.<BR><BR>For those who are still abject believers, I recommend Terry Eagleton, "Reason, Faith, and Revolution: Reflections on the God Debate" (Yale UP pbk, 2010).<BR><BR>If I thought anyone took Ditchkins seriously, I'd propose a symposium or panel on the subject. I doubt I'd find many takers.<BR><BR>Actually, I'd be willing to host it on my UPTV program, News from Neptune. <BR><BR>But I don't think anyone's interested enough for that. <BR><BR><BR>On 9/19/10 9:31 PM, E.Wayne Johnson wrote:
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Most importantly, the Nazis were German.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>That fact explains the lion's share of the variance.</FONT></DIV>
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<TD vAlign=top>Have at it, folks.
<DIV> --Jenifer<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 9/19/10, fransears<I>></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV class=plainMail>Richard Dawkins Furious At Pope For Tying Godless To Nazis<BR><BR>Posted in Liberaland by Alan • September 17, 2010,<BR><BR>Pope Benedict’s speech to Queen Elizabeth in England praised how<BR>Britain fought “Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from<BR>society,” prompting one of the world’s best known atheists, Richard<BR>Dawkins, to proclaim it “a despicable outrage.” What set off Dawkins<BR>is this paragraph:<BR><BR>“Even in our own lifetime, we can recall how Britain and her leaders<BR>stood against a Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society<BR>and denied our common humanity to many, especially the Jews, who were<BR>thought unfit to live. I also recall the regime’s attitude to<BR>Christian pastors and religious who spoke the truth in love, opposed<BR>the Nazis and paid for that opposition with their lives. As we reflect<BR>on the sobering lessons of the atheist extremism of the
twentieth<BR>century, let us never forget how the exclusion of God, religion and<BR>virtue from public life leads ultimately to a truncated vision of man<BR>and of society and thus to a “reductive vision of the person and his<BR>destiny” (Caritas in Veritate, 29).”<BR><BR>Dawkins responds:<BR><BR>Even if Hitler had been an atheist, his political philosophy was not<BR>based upon atheism and had no connection with atheism. Hitler was<BR>arguably (and by his own account) a Roman Catholic. In any case he<BR>enjoyed the open support of many of the most senior catholic clergy in<BR>Germany and the less demonstrative support of Pope Pius XII. Even if<BR>Hitler had been an atheist (he certainly was not), the rank and file<BR>Germans who carried out the attempted extermination of the Jews were<BR>Christians, almost to a man: either Catholic or Lutheran, primed to<BR>their anti-Semitism by centuries of Catholic propaganda about<BR>‘Christ-killers’ and
by Martin Luther’s own seething hatred of the<BR>Jews. To mention Ratzinger’s membership of the Hitler Youth might be<BR>thought to be fighting dirty, but my feeling is that the gloves are<BR>off after this disgraceful paragraph by the pope.<BR><BR>Dawkins is urging a letter-writing campaign to British media in protest, adding:<BR><BR>I am incandescent with rage at the sycophantic BBC coverage, and the<BR>sight of British toadies bowing and scraping to this odious man. I<BR>thought he was bad before. This puts the lid on it.<BR><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR>
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