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    If we're going to take this seriously, we should start at the top. 
    Obama's ordering the extra-judicial execution of an American citizen
    is unquestionably an incitement to illegal and imminent violence. 
    He should of course be in jail.<br>
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    On 10/12/10 5:39 PM, Morton K. Brussel wrote:
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      type="cite"><base href="x-msg://1588/">Inflammatory language: A
      jury of wise, informed, tolerant, humane, uncommitted people ought
      to decide. The Supreme Court?
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        <div>"Shoot that man, because he is evil"—and the man is killed
          by someone who listens. Any responsibility?</div>
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        <div>--mkb</div>
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            <div>On Oct 12, 2010, at 5:05 PM, David Green wrote:</div>
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                    <p>Subsequent to a recent letter in the DI and
                      threatening phone calls to my place of work, I was
                      told by a co-worker that I might have to accept
                      responsiblity of something should result from
                      these threats--especially if these actions are
                      provoked by perceived insults, rather
                      than--say--the truth. But it's not clear to me
                      that either Beck or me should be held to that
                      standard, and made responsible for the reactions
                      of others. I tend to think that in other case,
                      violence or the threat of violence needs to be
                      explained in the larger context: the economy, the
                      wars, the perceived powerlessness of some
                      individuals vis a vis the state and the
                      corporations that constitute the centers of power.</p>
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                    <p>At any rate, when Goodman plays a "progressive,"
                      she loses a lot of clarity and credibility, in my
                      opinion.</p>
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href="http://www.democracynow.org/2010/10/12/progressive_hunter_gunman_cites_glenn_beck">http://www.democracynow.org/2010/10/12/progressive_hunter_gunman_cites_glenn_beck</a></strong></p>
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                      <p><strong>AMY GOODMAN:</strong><span
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                        really hold Glenn Beck, Michael Savage,
                        responsible for this man’s violent actions, who
                        was violent way back?</p>
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                      <p><strong>JOHN HAMILTON:</strong><span
                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Right.
                        Well, I think we have to ask ourselves that. And
                        again, I think we need to return to the—to two
                        major points here. One, many of the conspiracy
                        theories and the conspiracism that you find on
                        Glenn Beck’s program is simply not true. It’s
                        easily refuted. At Media Matters, you have teams
                        of researchers every day debunking many of the
                        things that Glenn Beck says. And, for example,
                        the Petrobras conspiracy theory, the idea that
                        George Soros was profiting from the oil disaster
                        in the Gulf of Mexico simply wasn’t true. When
                        you couple that with the demonization of people
                        like Soros, who when Glenn Beck talks about him,
                        he compares him to a gangster, he affects his
                        accent, he’s even insulted the man’s nose hair—I
                        mean, he says that he’s trying to
                        bring—sometimes he says socialism, sometimes he
                        says fascism, to the United States.</p>
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                        <p><strong>GLENN BECK:</strong><span
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                          about Tides? How about indoctrination? Forget
                          God, it’s “In George Soros, we trust.” Oh,
                          he’s going to get his. He is going to get his.</p>
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                      <p><strong>JOHN HAMILTON:</strong><span
                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>So, when
                        you couple the mistruths with the demonization,
                        I think it is time that we ask ourselves, do
                        these media figures, do these demagogues, bear
                        some responsibility for the actions of their
                        audience?</p>
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                    <p><strong>AMY GOODMAN:</strong><span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>John
                      Hamilton is author of the piece "Progressive
                      Hunter." It’s at<span
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                        href="http://mediamatters.org/research/201010110002"><font
                          color="#0000ff">Media Matters</font></a>, and
                      we’ll link to it here at<span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><em>Democracy
                        Now!</em></p>
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