<html><head><base href="x-msg://1461/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Why bring the ACLU into this? Seems ad hominem. (Is Gehrig Jewish/Zionist?)<div>--mkb</div><div><br><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Oct 12, 2010, at 9:37 AM, David Green wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">In a recent letter in the N-G, in response to liberal Zionist Urbana councilcreature David Gehrig's feigned concern with Islamophobia from Cal Thomas, I wrote that we should be more concerned about "mainstream" Islamophobia, including that promoted by local Jewish institutions. The sponsors for the Pipes event testify to that. If the more "respectable" people at the Program for Jewish Culture and Society (Matti Bunzl, Bruce Rosenstock, Michael Rothberg) object to Pipes, let them publicly say so, or forever hold their sanctimonious and cowardly tongues about racism, hate, and "Holocaust memory." The same goes for Gehrig--let him flaunt his pathetic liberal ACLU cajones with a few sharp words for the Pipester. It will never happen.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Here's an item from my files:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><b><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">Daniel Pipes’ Acrimonious Remarks Embarrass Organizers of Portland Panel on “Healing Words”<o:p></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">By Elaine Kelley, from<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>Northwest News,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></i>reprinted in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>Washington Report on Middle East Affairs,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></i>July 2001.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">Pipes is well-known for his hawkish views and inflammatory statements. He recently angered Middle East peace advocates in his April 25<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>National Post</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>commentary “Being nice won’t help Israel,” in which he asserts that Israel must<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><i>“convince Palestinians not of its niceness but its toughness,”<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></i></b>arguing that the more flexibly Israel behaved, the more<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><i>“Palestinians smelled blood and became enraged at the very existence of the Jewish state.”</i></b></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><strong><em></em></strong><o:p></o:p></span> </div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">Early in his comments Pipes had remarked, “It is deeply unfortunate that Ateek compares the Germans’ treatment of the Jews to Israel and the Palestinians.” Using innuendo, Pipes compared the final fate of the Germans after WWII with what Palestinians may have to succumb to in the future: “When the Germans lost World War I they came out with a sense of grievance and felt stabbed in the back; but when they were<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><i>thoroughly destroyed</i></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>in World War II they came out of that with something modern and new. It’s time for Arabs to move on.”</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><o:p></o:p></span> </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; border-bottom-color: windowtext; border-bottom-width: 1.5pt; border-bottom-style: solid; border-left-width: medium; border-left-style: none; border-left-color: initial; padding-bottom: 2pt; padding-left: 0in; padding-right: 0in; border-top-width: medium; border-top-style: none; border-top-color: initial; border-right-width: medium; border-right-style: none; border-right-color: initial; padding-top: 0in; "><div style="border-bottom-width: medium; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-color: initial; border-left-width: medium; border-left-style: none; border-left-color: initial; padding-bottom: 0in; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; padding-left: 0in; padding-right: 0in; border-top-width: medium; border-top-style: none; border-top-color: initial; border-right-width: medium; border-right-style: none; border-right-color: initial; padding-top: 0in; "><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">What Israel should do, he added, is<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><i>“respond with force.</i></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Punish those that would hurt [Israel], and their ambitions to do so will fail.” Asserting that “Arab people live in some of the worse conditions in the world, without freedom to travel or modern media,” he blamed those conditions on the Arabs’ “political obsession with Israel.”</span></div></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>Peace-discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss">http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</a><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>