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"Why can't I do what I want with what I own?" is the bleat of owners
since there were any.<br>
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Of course we'll wait, cap in hand, in hope that they'll do the
nicest things...<br>
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On 10/14/10 7:42 PM, Robert Kutz wrote:
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type="cite">This, of course, requires some reasonable argument for
why a demand against the sale of merchandise bearing the Chief -
or the promotion of a dance using the Chief logo in advertising
and decoration - is really 'property besting speech' in any
meaningful sense.
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<div>Cursing the nasty lot of capitalists seems a bit of an odd
way to go about bemoaning the unexplained cancellation of a
racist event. Again, maybe we can wait and see how free speech
was actually violated (whether within or without a framework
rejecting the concept of the trademark as unjust) before
clucking our tongues at the whole dirty affair.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 6:31 PM, C. G.
Estabrook <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">galliher@illinois.edu</a>></span>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Property bests speech
(whether bad or good) - a capitalist principle:<br>
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"Those who own the country ought to govern it.” -- John
Jay (1745-1829), first Chief [sic] Justice of the US
Supreme Court
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On 10/14/10 7:09 PM, Robert Kutz wrote: </div>
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<div class="h5">Declaring the triumph of censorship is
perhaps premature given no explanation for the
cancellation. I think we can afford at least a
reserved and tentative pleasure in this case.
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<div>And in response to the obvious pressure the
University was placing on the 'last dance' event -
anybody is certainly free to discuss or reminisce
about the Chief as they wish, but I see no reason
to believe that the University's 'trademark' claim
is illegitimate. I can talk about Mickey Mouse all
I like, but it's hardly a violation of free speech
that I can't paint him on the side of my shop.</div>
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<div>It's debatable whether this is an issue of free
speech at this point, but it's hardly a matter of
debate whether we can be happy that this
celebration of a racist caricature will apparently
not proceed as planned, I think.<br>
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5:30 PM, C. G. Estabrook <span dir="ltr"><<a
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Censorship triumphs? Are we proud?<br>
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(And doesn't canceled have one L?)
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On 10/14/10 6:24 PM, Jenifer Cartwright
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valign="top">Just heard on Ch 3
News at 6p that the "Chief"
Event scheduled for the Assembly
Hall during Homecoming Weekend
has been CANCELLED!!! No
explanation, other than that it
hasn't been (isn't expected to
be?) rescheduled. We win again?
Still? Some more???
<div> --Jenifer</div>
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