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The only way the Obama administration will reverse its war policy is
if it's forced to by a cut-off of funds. That eventually happened
to the Nixon administration in regard to Vietnam and to the Reagan
administration in regard to Central America - admittedly after
they'd killed hundreds of thousands. The Obama administration needs
to be treated the same way.<br>
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In each case the growth of votes against the war in Congress was
quite slow. Then as now, the populace was much further left than
the Congress. But it's hard to understand people who say that
they're against the war - and then vote against a Congressman who is
one of the few voting against the war (and for a dissembling
Democrat). Especially when those people contend, as you do, that
both parties are reactionary.<br>
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And, believe me, such votes will be noticed. Look at, e.g., Michael
Barone's<i> Almanac of American Politics.</i><br>
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On 10/16/10 6:29 PM, Corey Mattson wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I really doubt that the very few anti-war people voting for Johnson would be read as a signal by the government. ...And calling for a vote for a reactionary is disorienting to our allies and potential allies in building a peace movement. Johnson is anti-immigrant, from what I can tell by press releases. Should we strengthen ties with the immigrant rights movement and other working people? I believe we should, which would entail not supporting anti-immigrant, anti-worker politicians.
---Corey
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On Oct 16, 2010, at 10:36 AM, "C. G. Estabrook" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu"><galliher@illinois.edu></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I agree with your contempt for both business parties, but Johnson is actually voting against war funding - one of the few in Congress to do so, and Gill has not promised to do the same. ( I doubt that he would - if per impossibile he were elected, he'd be a safe vote for the administration.) Johnson is worth a vote as a signal to the federal government that there is a growing opposition to its killing people for oil in the Mideast. --CGE
On 10/16/10 9:59 AM, Corey Mattson wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I think we can all agree that elections won't now end the wars, that it will take a strong anti-war movement. I'm not voting for either Gill or Johnson because they are in business parties that have absolutely no accountability except to their paymasters. In Minnesota, Keith Ellison was an antiwar politician in the actual movement, who promised to vote against war funding, until he got elected and took his orders from Pelosi. It doesn't even matter what they promise.
I agree with those who won't support Johnson. He and his party are not on our side. If Gill were a politician who ran on a working-class ticket, a labor party or something like it on the left, that was accountable to a real party platform, he would get my vote. To his credit, he went against the party establishment supporting single-payer. Here in Blm-Normal, he disagreed publicly with MoveOn supporters in their support for Obama's health insurance reform, saying that it was bad enough to hope that it would not pass. In my view, from his work on single-payer, he counts as a movement activist, explaining his anti-establishment position on this issue. But, again, his running in a party only answering to corporate interests settles it for me.
--- Corey
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On Oct 15, 2010, at 9:48 PM, Karen Medina<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kmedina67@gmail.com"><kmedina67@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Nevertheless TJ is a reliable anti-war vote.
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<pre wrap="">Oh, Israel's war does not count in The War.
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