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People forget that during the Vietnam War the Nixon administration
proposed some advanced social legislation (often urged by D. P.
Moynihan, whose letters have just been published) - social
legislation in fact much in advance of what the Obama administration
has proposed, even on health care.<br>
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But even then no one was benighted enough to say, "We shouldn't Take
a Stand and Vote Our Conscience against the war in SE Asia because
the administration has proposed a Occupational Safety and Health
Administration (OSHA) and an Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) -
even a negative income tax" (in fact quite a good idea, wrecked by
Democrats). <br>
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But in 1972 many Americans voted for Nixon and sneered at those with
"consciences [that were] squeaky clean" on the war, as John W.
pointed out the other day on this list. "...Whereof what's <span
class="keyword1">past</span> <span class="keyword2">is</span> <span
class="keyword3">prologue</span>, what to come /
In yours and my <span class="keyword2">discharge</span>." --CGE
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On 10/18/10 12:28 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
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<td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">Well, the
right-wingers are framing this as an election against
Obama, and the MSM (of course) is going along w/ them...
So no surprise that the nay-sayers on this list are
falling into line behind them as well...
<div>I would also argue that choosing the lesser of evils
can be seen as a vote against the greater of two evils,
and that it's our responsibility to do that (hoping that
we all agree on 1) this principle, and 2) which
candidates we must therefore vote for... )</div>
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<div>Can we agree that things have become worse (Citizens
United) and can become even worse if the elections go to
the Greater of Evils?? It continues to bother me that
those All or Nothing Purists who are Taking A Stand and
Voting Their Consciences have the luxury of doing that
-- rent and utilities has been paid on their Ivory
Towers, no problem, and they have zero empathy for those
who are affected by losses to the greater of evils, so
long as their consciences -- publicly flashed -- are
squeaky clean. </div>
<div> --Jenifer<br>
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--- On <b>Mon, 10/18/10, Ron Szoke <i><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:r-szoke@illinois.edu"><r-szoke@illinois.edu></a></i></b>
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From: Ron Szoke <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:r-szoke@illinois.edu"><r-szoke@illinois.edu></a><br>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Tim Johnson / killing
people<br>
To: "C. G. Estabrook" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu"><galliher@illinois.edu></a>,
"Karen Medina" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kmedina67@gmail.com"><kmedina67@gmail.com></a><br>
Cc: "Peace-discuss List"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"><Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net></a><br>
Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 12:06 AM<br>
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<div class="plainMail">We might note, for the sake of
clarity & mental balance, that it is <br>
impossible to vote AGAINST anyone, & that the
demon Obama will not be <br>
on the ballot, so it is likewise impossible to vote
for or against him, <br>
whatever one's doctrinal or ideological fervor. <br>
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-- Ron<br>
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