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Bob, you're urging votes for the Democrats and calling Chris Floyd
"a dogma-head moron"?!<br>
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Now I realize that your arguments in support of the war-makers are
so weak and contradictory that you're reduced to playground taunts,
but I suggest that people who have not done so read Floyd's blog,
"Empire Burlesque: High Crimes and Low Comedy in the American
Imperium" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.chris-floyd.com/"><http://www.chris-floyd.com/></a>. They will see that
there are moronic comments being made in these matters, but not
usually by him. --CGE<br>
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On 10/19/10 8:33 AM, Robert Naiman wrote:
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cite="mid:AANLkTim2qop7ZSjBmVGge4h0RBxE9oCBgPd5dS+rQ-tJ@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Perhaps it is that simple for someone who is as much
of a dogma-head moron as Chris Floyd obviously is. For some people
it is simple that "abortion is murder." This assertion merits as
much claim on our attention as Chris Floyd's.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:23 AM, C. G.
Estabrook <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">galliher@illinois.edu</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> "Friends, it's very
simple: if you support Barack Obama and the Democrats --
even if reluctantly, even if you're just being all
sophisticatedly super-savvy and blogospherically strategic
about it... -- you are supporting the outright murder of
innocent people who have never done anything against you or
yours. You have walked into a house, battered down the
bedroom door, put the barrel of a gun against the temple of
a sleeping child, and pulled the trigger. That is what you
are supporting, that is what you are complicit in, <i><b>that
is what you yourself are doing.</b></i>"<br>
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Full article at
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://chris-floyd.com/articles/1-latest-news/2035-obamas-finest-hour-killing-innocent-people-for-qmade-up-crapq.html"
target="_blank"><http://chris-floyd.com/articles/1-latest-news/2035-obamas-finest-hour-killing-innocent-people-for-qmade-up-crapq.html></a>.
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On 10/18/10 10:32 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote: </div>
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Johnson is one of those who believes Life
starts at conception and ends at birth.
<div> --Jenifer<br>
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--- On <b>Mon, 10/18/10, Morton K. Brussel
<i><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu"
target="_blank"><brussel@illinois.edu></a></i></b>
wrote:<br>
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From: Morton K. Brussel <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu"
target="_blank"><brussel@illinois.edu></a><br>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Punish the
Democrats, yes<br>
To: "C. G. Estabrook" <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu"
target="_blank"><galliher@illinois.edu></a><br>
Cc: "Ron Szoke" <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:r-szoke@illinois.edu"
target="_blank"><r-szoke@illinois.edu></a>,
"Peace-discuss" <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank"><peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net></a><br>
Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 7:00 PM<br>
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<div>The outrage of Estabrook seems
reserved for Democrats, without
regarding the very probable (consider
what they're saying) consequences of
having Tea-Party types and/or
Republicans controling government. None
of the execrable policies of the G.W.
Bush or Obama administrations are likely
to be revised or retracted. He has
forgotten about the Bush administration?
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<div>The mania of the current campaign
aimed at David Gill, characterized as
a stand-in for Obama, is perverse and
contary to what has come from
statements and presentations of Gill.
It's remarkable how much faith Carl
has in Tim Johnson.
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<div>--mkb</div>
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<div>On Oct 18, 2010, at 5:29 PM,
C. G. Estabrook wrote:</div>
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<div> This is outrageous special
pleading. It says to return
the Democrats to office, even
though they're the ones
responsible for "unnecessary
deaths of people in wars from
[Palestine to Pakistan and
from Central Asia to the Horn
of Africa]."<br>
<br>
Of course the Democrats are
also responsible for not
extending Medicare to all, not
taking over the
too-big-to-fail banks and
companies and running them for
the public good, not stopping
foreclosures, not establishing
an effective jobs program,
etc., etc. - and not by
accident, but because they're
working for the banks, the
insurance companies, the oil
companies, the construction
companies, et al.<br>
<br>
The Democrat’s allegedly
reformist agenda masks
programs to ensure that no
major stakeholder in his
coalition of corporate backers
will suffer significant
losses, and will even enjoy
spectacular gains — the
perfection of the long right
turn of the Democratic Party
since the 1970s, as
financialization of the
economy led to shedding New
Deal commitments so as to
compete with the Republicans
for corporate patronage. <br>
<br>
Reject the policies by not
voting for them. Vote Green
or for individual legislators
who e.g. vote against the war,
like Kucinich, Paul, or
Johnson (IL). We'll still
have to settle accounts with
the new Congress on war and
social legislation, whoever is
elected. <br>
<br>
Say to the Democrats what
Cromwell said to the Rump
parliament: "Depart, I say;
and let us have done with you.
In the name of God, go!"<br>
<br>
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On 10/18/10 4:50 PM, Ron Szoke
wrote:
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/101510.html" target="_blank">http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/101510.html</a>
The 'Teach-the-Dems-a-Lesson' Myth
By Robert Parry (A Special Report)
October 15, 2010
If my e-mail inbox is any indication, many American progressives plan
to use the Nov. 2 election as an opportunity to “teach the Democrats a
lesson” by either not voting or casting ballots for third parties, even if
this contributes to the expected Republican (and Tea Party) landslide.
The thinking seems to be that the loss of the congressional majorities
will punish the Democrats for accepting half-measures and compromises
on issues from health care and financial reform to job stimulus and war.
The Left’s hope apparently is that the chastened Democrats will then
shift toward more progressive positions and be more assertive.
However, modern American political history tells us that this strategy
never works. After the four key elections in which many progressives
abandoned the governing Democrats – in 1968, 1980, 1994 and 2000 –
not only did Republicans take U.S. politics further to the right, but the
surviving Democrats tacked more to the center and grew more timid.
All four elections also were marred by GOP dirty tricks that drew little or
no reaction from either the governing Democrats or the progressives,
emboldening the slash-and-burn Republicans to operate in an ever
more audacious style.
Tragically, too, the Left’s sideline-sitting contributed to the unnecessary
deaths of millions of people in wars from Vietnam and Central America
to Iraq and Afghanistan. Arguably even worse, U.S. inaction on global
warming – a neglect surely to be continued if Republicans and Tea
Partiers are victorious in Election 2010 – may doom the future of a
livable planet.
In other words, the “teach-the-Dems-a-lesson” strategy not only
doesn’t work, it’s extremely dangerous.
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