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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=dlj725@hughes.net href="mailto:dlj725@hughes.net">David Johnson</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=jencart13@yahoo.com
href="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com">Jenifer Cartwright</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 18, 2010 10:32 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Peace-discuss] Tim Johnson / killing
people</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Jenifer,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I DON'T have the so called " luxury " of having a middle
class income and I am still going to vote for every Green candidate that is on
the ballot !</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Why ?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Because I am sick and tired of the lies and back stabbing
of the democrats, that have sold out working people now for over 15
years.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I would make exceptions for the small handful of democrats
like Dennis Kuccinich at the national level and certain local democrats that
have represented their constituents in spite of corporate bribes and
threats.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>It never ceases to amaze me how seemingly well educated
and intelligent people who have good values and want a better world continue to
buy into the two party shell game being played upon them by the corporate
interests who laugh all the way to the bank.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I see this every election year. Progressives don't vote
for the person they really want in the primaries ( like Dennis Kuccinch )
because they are told by the corporate media that this person can't win. Next
thing you know it becomes a self fullfilling prophecy. They don't win and we end
up with corporate whores like Bill Clinton and Barrack Obama.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Then comes the general elections and these same supposedly
intelligent progresives are told by the corporate media that only the lesser of
two evils work and that they must vote for corporate funded candidate A or
corporate funded candidate B and that the Green party can not win. Next
thing you know another self fullfilled prophecy happens.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>And then these same people wonder why nothing ever
changes.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Instead of voting for the candidate and /or the
party that best reflects their views and priorities and win or loose, use
this voting block to force concessions from the DNC and the other
party, and at the same time build a non-corporate third party,and each election
both local and nationally continue to build a larger base of support, many
progressives just give-up and HOPE for CHANGE instead of fighting and working
for it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>By the way, Nader and the Greens did not cause
Gore and Kerry to lose, the election was STOLEN from both of them, but
neither had the guts to fight it. Instead they took their stand down orders
from their corporate masters, and progressive democrats, instead of raising hell
about a sell out via the DNC and a corporate crushing of our democracy,
they blamed Nader and the Greens.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>The easy way out.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>There is only one way out of this vicious
circle.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>DO NOT vote for ANY candidate that takes corporate
money.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Vote and campaign ONLY for candidates who DO
NOT take corporate money. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>David J.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial> </FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jencart13@yahoo.com href="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com">Jenifer
Cartwright</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=galliher@illinois.edu
href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">C. G. Estabrook</A> ; <A
title=kmedina67@gmail.com href="mailto:kmedina67@gmail.com">Karen Medina</A> ;
<A title=r-szoke@illinois.edu href="mailto:r-szoke@illinois.edu">Ron Szoke</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net
href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 18, 2010 12:28
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Peace-discuss] Tim Johnson
/ killing people</DIV>
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<TD vAlign=top>Well, the right-wingers are framing this as an election
against Obama, and the MSM (of course) is going along w/ them... So no
surprise that the nay-sayers on this list are falling into line behind
them as well...
<DIV>I would also argue that choosing the lesser of evils can be seen as
a vote against the greater of two evils, and that it's our
responsibility to do that (hoping that we all agree on 1) this
principle, and 2) which candidates we must therefore vote for... )</DIV>
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<DIV>Can we agree that things have become worse (Citizens United) and
can become even worse if the elections go to the Greater of Evils?? It
continues to bother me that those All or Nothing Purists who are Taking
A Stand and Voting Their Consciences have the luxury of doing that --
rent and utilities has been paid on their Ivory Towers, no problem, and
they have zero empathy for those who are affected by losses to the
greater of evils, so long as their consciences -- publicly flashed --
are squeaky clean. </DIV>
<DIV> --Jenifer<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 10/18/10, Ron Szoke
<I><r-szoke@illinois.edu></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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Ron Szoke <r-szoke@illinois.edu><BR>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss]
Tim Johnson / killing people<BR>To: "C. G. Estabrook"
<galliher@illinois.edu>, "Karen Medina"
<kmedina67@gmail.com><BR>Cc: "Peace-discuss List"
<Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net><BR>Date: Monday, October 18,
2010, 12:06 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>We might note, for the sake of clarity &
mental balance, that it is <BR>impossible to vote AGAINST anyone,
& that the demon Obama will not be <BR>on the ballot, so it is
likewise impossible to vote for or against him, <BR>whatever
one's doctrinal or ideological fervor. <BR><BR>--
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