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<DIV>Actually, I will give him the benefit of the doubt about having empirical
supporting data to back up his assertion that "There are more anti-war
teapartiers than anti-war Democrats" ask for the exact number of tea-partiers
there actually are as compared to the exact number of Democrat there actually
are and the exact number and percentage of those total number of tea-partiers
that are anti-war as compared with the same for total Democrats and anti-war
Democrats. If he has the empirical data (as opposed to opinion or
speculation) to support his statement that "There are more anti-war teapartiers
than anti-war Democrats", he surely will have no trouble supplying me with the
numbers and percentages as well as citing the sources of that data.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>As for his statement, "</FONT>As an (actual) socialist,
I deplore that fact", I cannot question the part where he says he deplores that
fact ; but with respect to the first part of the statement, I would suggest
that he is no more an "actual socialist" philosophically, ideologically,
or practically than he is a race horse, a palm tree, or a rocket ship except in
his own mind and his self-attaching the label to himself and his beliefs.
To be sure, his believes may contain some elements drawn from the socialist
tradition and some of his actions may have a socialist element to them;<FONT
face=Calibri> but that does not make him an "actual socialist" whatever the
hell that means any more than standing in a garage makes one an
automobile.</FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=brussel@illinois.edu
href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu">Brussel</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 21, 2010 2:38 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=galliher@illinois.edu
href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">C. G. Estabrook</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss List</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Peace-discuss] DN: NAACP Report Ties Tea Party to
Militia andRacist Groups</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Karen,
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<DIV>Ask Carl where he gets his data (re. his first line below). Ask where most
of the funding, who are the biggest contributors, and where most of the PR for
the Tea party comes from. And so what conclusion may one draw?</DIV>
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<DIV>Don't be surprised if he switches the subject, refuses to answer, or cannot
answer, because he doesn't have reliable sources. </DIV>
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<DIV>--mkb</DIV>
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<DIV>On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:18 AM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">Come on, Karen. There are more anti-war
teapartiers than anti-war Democrats.<BR><BR>Obama's co-option of the anti-war
movement meant that there is no parallel among the Democrats to Ron Paul's
movement of principled opposition to the war, nor to that of libertarians and
paleoconservatives around the website <A
href="http://Antiwar.com">Antiwar.com</A> or the journal <I>The American
Conservative</I>. <BR><BR>As an (actual) socialist, I deplore that fact.
<BR><BR>On 10/21/10 9:30 AM, Karen Medina wrote:
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cite=mid:AANLkTimcYfa1ye2PA0=B1rvtp2Jsk+Zx-rSHUtJ=-gy7@mail.gmail.com
type="cite"><PRE wrap="">I did notice that there were very few "constitutionalists" around
before the scare tactic of "they are going to give health care to
undocumented immigrants" became popular.
Very few of the tea-partiers are in the anti-war movement.
All I am saying is that it is easy to count the ones that are consistent.
With the ones that are inconsistent, it is harder to count them, but
it is easy to tell if they have read the constitution.
-karen medina
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