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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>First, it makes no difference what I think; it is the a
question of what is your empirical data upon which you are basing your opinion,
thoughts, and assertions. Second, I am asking you for your data; it is not
for me to come up with the empirical data support or reject your claims - it is
up to you to come up with that data.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=galliher@illinois.edu
href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">C. G. Estabrook</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 21, 2010 11:34 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=brussel@illinois.edu
href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu">Morton K. Brussel</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=ls1000@live.com href="mailto:ls1000@live.com">Laurie
Solomon</A> ; <A title=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss List</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Peace-discuss] DN: NAACP Report Ties Tea Party to
Militia andRacist Groups</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Do you think that there are more anti-war Democrats than anti-war
teapartiers? <BR><BR>If so, where are they?<BR><BR><BR>On 10/21/10 11:22 PM,
Morton K. Brussel wrote:
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type="cite">Of course he has no data. Need one say more?
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<DIV>--mkb</DIV>
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<DIV>On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Laurie Solomon wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV>Actually, I will give him the benefit of the doubt about having
empirical supporting data to back up his assertion that "There are more
anti-war teapartiers than anti-war Democrats" ask for the exact number of
tea-partiers there actually are as compared to the exact number of Democrat
there actually are and the exact number and percentage of those total number
of tea-partiers that are anti-war as compared with the same for total
Democrats and anti-war Democrats. If he has the empirical data (as
opposed to opinion or speculation) to support his statement that "There are
more anti-war teapartiers than anti-war Democrats", he surely will have no
trouble supplying me with the numbers and percentages as well as citing the
sources of that data.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>As for his statement, "</FONT>As an (actual)
socialist, I deplore that fact", I cannot question the part where he says he
deplores that fact ; but with respect to the first part of the
statement, I would suggest that he is no more an "actual socialist"
philosophically, ideologically, or practically than he is a race horse, a
palm tree, or a rocket ship except in his own mind and his self-attaching
the label to himself and his beliefs. To be sure, his believes may
contain some elements drawn from the socialist tradition and some of his
actions may have a socialist element to them;<FONT face=Calibri> but
that does not make him an "actual socialist" whatever the hell that means
any more than standing in a garage makes one an automobile.</FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=brussel@illinois.edu
href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu" moz-do-not-send="true">Brussel</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 21, 2010 2:38 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=galliher@illinois.edu
href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" moz-do-not-send="true">C. G.
Estabrook</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Peace-discuss] DN: NAACP Report Ties Tea Party to
Militia andRacist Groups</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Karen,
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<DIV>Ask Carl where he gets his data (re. his first line below). Ask where
most of the funding, who are the biggest contributors, and where most of the
PR for the Tea party comes from. And so what conclusion may one draw?</DIV>
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<DIV>Don't be surprised if he switches the subject, refuses to answer, or
cannot answer, because he doesn't have reliable sources. </DIV>
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<DIV>--mkb</DIV>
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<DIV>On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:18 AM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">Come on, Karen. There are more
anti-war teapartiers than anti-war Democrats.<BR><BR>Obama's co-option of
the anti-war movement meant that there is no parallel among the Democrats
to Ron Paul's movement of principled opposition to the war, nor to that of
libertarians and paleoconservatives around the website <A
href="http://Antiwar.com/" moz-do-not-send="true">Antiwar.com</A> or the
journal <I>The American Conservative</I>. <BR><BR>As an (actual)
socialist, I deplore that fact. <BR><BR>On 10/21/10 9:30 AM, Karen Medina
wrote:
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cite=mid:AANLkTimcYfa1ye2PA0=B1rvtp2Jsk+Zx-rSHUtJ=-gy7@mail.gmail.com
type="cite"><PRE wrap="">I did notice that there were very few "constitutionalists" around
before the scare tactic of "they are going to give health care to
undocumented immigrants" became popular.
Very few of the tea-partiers are in the anti-war movement.
All I am saying is that it is easy to count the ones that are consistent.
With the ones that are inconsistent, it is harder to count them, but
it is easy to tell if they have read the constitution.
-karen medina
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