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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> C. G. Estabrook <galliher@illinois.edu><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Morton K. Brussel <brussel@illinois.edu><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> peace@lists.chambana.net; Peace-discuss <peace-discuss@anti-war.net><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wed, October 27, 2010 12:56:03 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Peace] come and share your reasons for being against this war with Dr. Gill / Tuesday, 5pm-6pm / UPTV 400 South Vine Street, Urbana, IL<BR></FONT><BR>Mort--<BR><BR>Naturally I appreciate your tender concern for my absence from AOTA's interview with David Gill. In fact at the time I was literally up in the air, flying Missoula-Denver-Dallas-CU and arriving home just in time to see the program. In fact, I would love to have asked Gill some questions about the war - and to
quote back to him his evasions from the past.<BR><BR>Linda got Gill to agree to be on the show - and asked me not to be "confrontational." But Gill said he couldn't make the regular recording time. So I asked the accommodating people at UPTV to provide us with other possible times: Gill eventually chose 5-6pm on 10/26. As it happened, I was out of town Friday-Tuesday.<BR><BR>I've been corresponding with Gill since he announced for the seat in the fall of 2009 - trying to get him to come clean on his stance on the war. (From the News-Gazette, October, 2009: "Gill said he would not support a total withdrawal of U.S. forces from Afghanistan...")<BR><BR>Gill's statement read at the top of program managed to evade any mention of (a) the administration's motive for the AfPak war and its lies ("stopping terrorism") about those motives; (b) any principled - as opposed to "pragmatic" ("we might not be winning") - reason to oppose the war (as
found, e.g., among <BR>Ron Paulists, Libertarians and paleo-conservatives); and/or (c) a pledge like Tim Johnson's to vote against any more money for war. (And Johnson is in fact voting that way.) What the statement does contain are self-serving errors in fact about the history of the AfPak war.<BR><BR>As for the no-hope comment, did you note that the NYT gave Gill a 0.2% (that's two-tenths of one percent) chance of winning?<BR><BR>And I'm sorry you don't see the difference between Gill's campaign and the "presumed futile" Green party campaign for the same seat in 2002. The Greens took advantage of a quirk in the repressive election laws to run a campaign - which they knew they would loose - in order to raise issues that would not be raised by the Republicans or Democrats. Gill evaded issues - especially the war - in order to try to be elected.<BR><BR>It's not a smear to point out those evasions. --CGE<BR><BR>On 10/26/10 11:45 PM,
Morton K. Brussel wrote:<BR><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre">> Most telling of all is the absence of Carl Estabrook on the panel. If<BR>> he were able to participate (Did he require an invitation [for a<BR>> program he initiated]? Did Gill object to his possible presence on<BR>> the panel with him?), his absence indicates rank cowardice. Evidently<BR>> Estabrook feels he can mouth off accusations better if there is no<BR>> face-to face rebuttal.<BR>> <BR>> As for the sly "no-hope" comment, Estabrook should know what it means<BR>> to run a campaign presumed futile. His attempt to smear the program<BR>> is appalling.<BR>> <BR>> I thought Gill expressed himself admirably, and Karen, Ron and Linda<BR>> deserve our thanks for carrying on and preparing well.<BR>> <BR>> --mkb<BR>> <BR>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 11:06 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:<BR>> <BR>>> The program tonight as broadcast showed a remarkable
development to<BR>>> David Gill's views on the US war in the Middle East. (Gill is the<BR>>> no-hope Democratic candidate running against the Republican<BR>>> incumbent, Tim Johnson, for the local congressional seat.) He even<BR>>> struggled to modify the statement - his statement - read by a<BR>>> member of the panel at the beginning of the program!<BR>>> <BR>>> One can see why - that statement is a tissue of lies. What he said<BR>>> tonight - together with that statement - is a painful exercise in<BR>>> misrepresentation - both of his own views and those of his<BR>>> opponent. That has of course been the practice of the Democrats<BR>>> since the beginning of this phase of the Long War.<BR>>> <BR>>> See the statement here:<BR>>> <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="http://www.gill2010.com/issues/foreign-policy/afghanistan/" target=_blank
rel=nofollow><http://www.gill2010.com/issues/foreign-policy/afghanistan/></A>.<BR>>> <BR>>> We might actually get a debate on the war if people have a chance<BR>>> to see how disingenuous Gill's statement is - even with his<BR>>> "evolutions" on tonight's program.<BR>>> <BR>>> Gill's major charge against Johnson is that he "doesn't support the<BR>>> troops" - a made-up Bushism. But Gill's prevarications and<BR>>> misrepresentations have deprived the local voters of a real debate<BR>>> on the war - which looked liked happening, when Johnson said he<BR>>> was wrong to vote for the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, and<BR>>> pledged to vote against any more money for war in the Mideast - and<BR>>> he is voting that way. Gill still won't make that pledge, as a<BR>>> close examination of his statement shows.<BR>>> <BR>>> Both parties have worked hard to make sure
that next week's<BR>>> election is meaningless - and have largely succeeded. It will not,<BR>>> most importantly, be a vote on the war. We should therefore be<BR>>> working to stir up people across the political spectrum on the<BR>>> military and economic betrayals of the current president and<BR>>> Congress.<BR>>> <BR>>> The question is, Whom are we going to allow Barack Obama to kill<BR>>> going forward, and why?<BR>>> <BR>>> Some people are talking about what Obama and the Democratas are<BR>>> actually doing. Contrast Chris Floyd's remarks, as follows, with<BR>>> Gill's evasions, above:<BR>>> <BR>>> "...Friends, it's very simple: if you support Barack Obama and the<BR>>> Democrats -- even if reluctantly, even if you're just being all<BR>>> sophisticatedly super-savvy and blogospherically strategic about<BR>>> it, playing the "long game" or
eleven-dimensional chess or what<BR>>> have you -- you are supporting the outright murder of innocent<BR>>> people who have never done anything against you or yours. You have<BR>>> walked into a house, battered down the bedroom door, put the barrel<BR>>> of a gun against the temple of a sleeping child, and pulled the<BR>>> trigger. That is what you are supporting, that is what you are<BR>>> complicit in, that is what you yourself are doing."<BR>>> <BR>>> Full article at<BR>>> <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="http://chris-floyd.com/articles/1-latest-news/2035-obamas-finest-hour-killing-innocent-people-for-qmade-up-crapq.html" target=_blank rel=nofollow><http://chris-floyd.com/articles/1-latest-news/2035-obamas-finest-hour-killing-innocent-people-for-qmade-up-crapq.html></A>.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> </SPAN><BR>On 10/25/10 12:05 PM, Karen Medina wrote:<BR><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE:
pre">>>> Dr. Gill is coming to talk with<BR>>> AWARE (the local anti-war,<BR>>> <BR>>>> anti-racism effort of Champaign-Urbana). Would you like to<BR>>> come and<BR>>> <BR>>>> share your reasons for being against this war with Dr. Gill?<BR>>> We would<BR>>> <BR>>>> greatly appreciate it.<BR>>> <BR>>>> <BR>>> <BR>>>> Tuesday, October 26, 2010 5pm-6pm UPTV (in the Urbana City<BR>>> Council<BR>>> <BR>>>> Chambers) 400 South Vine Street, Urbana, IL A taping of AWARE<BR>>> on the<BR>>> <BR>>>> Air for Channel 6 that will air at 10pm Tuesday evening.<BR></SPAN><BR></DIV></DIV></div><br>
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