<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">It was NOT the Dems' Supreme Court picks who voted for Citizens' United (speaking of Corporate Interests and Money). Do you want Ginsburg's replacement to be another Roberts-Alito-Scolia-Thomas??<div><br></div><div>Easy to oversimplify, but do you have any idea what it takes to get a bill bro't up for a vote, let alone passed??? Esp when the Repubs in this Congress are committed to the destruction of anything and everything progressive the Dems bring up... Re the health care bill: the Repubs are committed to repeal, so it must have lots in it that they don't like, huh? CCHCC and other knowledgeable groups who advocate for free universal health care have voiced approval for many things in the bill, have said that a stronger bill wouldn't have had a chance of passing, and remind us that it's easier to improve a flawed existing bill than to start from
scratch. </div><div><br></div><div>No, sad to say, the Dems continue to support the wars only slightly less than do the Repubs -- it's not even front and center in discussions (or rallies) these days... It's a complicated perpetuation and I HATE HATE HATE it... but nevertheless, things would be lots worse if McCain were president instead of Obama. No, not much comfort, I agree until you think of the future, rather than the past or present. </div><div> --Jenifer</div><div><br>--- On <b>Sun, 10/31/10, David Johnson <i><dlj725@hughes.net></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: David Johnson <dlj725@hughes.net><br>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fw: These People Are Voting<br>To: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net>, "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13@yahoo.com><br>Date: Sunday, October 31, 2010, 9:02 PM<br><br><div
id="yiv1142369809">
<div> " if you don't get this, I can't help you. "</div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I can say the same thing to you as
well.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">It was NOT the repubs who obstructed Obama from
expanding the war in Afganistan.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">It was NOT the repubs who obstructed Obama's phoney
" health care reform " , which was a give away to the corporate insurance
industry, and denied medicare for millions via individual state intiatives until
2019.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">It was NOT the repubs who obstructed Obama from
supporting the bank bail-out and watering down the so called reforms on the
Banking industry....</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">and the list goes on.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">AS I Said ... IT IS THE CORPORATE MONEY
!</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">ANY candidate who takes corporate money is
compromised and is our enemy !</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">It does not matter what party they
are.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Until YOU realize this and act accordingly, you
will continue to be " played ". The corporate interests will continue to win and
we the people will continue to lose !</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">David J.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<blockquote style="PADDING-RIGHT:0px;PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;BORDER-LEFT:#000000 2px solid;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px;">
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4;FONT:10pt arial;"><b>From:</b>
<a rel="nofollow" title="jencart13@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=jencart13@yahoo.com">Jenifer
Cartwright</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss List</a> ; <a rel="nofollow" title="dlj725@hughes.net" ymailto="mailto:dlj725@hughes.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=dlj725@hughes.net">David Johnson</a>
</div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 31, 2010 1:50
PM</div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Peace-discuss] Fw: These
People Are Voting</div>
<div><br></div>
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<td valign="top">IF is yr problem here, David J. Yes, you and I would both
LOVE for the US to be a socialist democracy, and for lawmakers like
Kucinich and Feingold -- and even Sanders, maybe -- to be at the right
of the political spectrum, but we don't have that option... So we have
to settle for whatever will keep the country from sliding even farther
to the right... which means we go w/ our long-term conscience and vote
for Dems, the lesser of evils, to keep the Repubs, the greater of evils,
out! (Evidence to the contrary that Obama hasn't done anything... and
he'd have done more w/o the obstructionist Repubs -- look it up). As I
said before, if you don't get this, I can't help you.
<div> --Jenifer <br><br>--- On <b>Sun, 10/31/10, David Johnson
<i><dlj725@hughes.net></i></b> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;BORDER-LEFT:rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid;"><br>From:
David Johnson <dlj725@hughes.net><br>Subject: Re:
[Peace-discuss] Fw: These People Are Voting<br>To: "Peace-discuss
List" <peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net>, "Jenifer Cartwright"
<jencart13@yahoo.com><br>Date: Sunday, October 31, 2010, 11:06
AM<br><br>
<div id="yiv1142369809yiv896249028">
<div><font face="Arial">The proof is in the pudding Jenifer
!</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Where is our " Hope and Change " ?</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Since Obama's election and even before that when
the democrats took control of both the House and Senate, the VERY SAME
Bush policies continue.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">NOTHING has changed !</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">The same people run the show via a different
hand puppet with a different party label.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">My family were staunch democrats going back to
FDR and I myself was one as well, going door to door, doing phone
banks, registering people to vote, etc., until I began to see and get
fed up with the betrayl of working people by the democrats
starting with Bill Clinton and NAFTA.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">IF we had someone like Dennis Kucinich , Nancy
Kaptur, Paul Wellstone, etc. that I was able to vote for, I would vote
for them enthusiasticly,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">But we don't, and how voting for corporate
funded ; pro-privatization, pro-war, pro " free trade
" democrats is going to change anything for the better in this
country is a delusion !</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Wake-up and realize that you are being played
via the " good cop - bad cop " game.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Until we stop voting for ANY candidate that
takes corporate money, regardless of their party label, start getting
more active in getting REAL anti-corporate democrats ( and republicans
) elected in the primaries, and build a third party to hedge our bets
for the general election when no anti-corporate candidates are
available, nothing will change for the better !</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">David Johnson</font></div>
<div> </div>
<blockquote style="PADDING-RIGHT:0px;PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;BORDER-LEFT:#000000 2px solid;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px;">
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4;FONT:10pt arial;"><b>From:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="jencart13@yahoo.com">Jenifer Cartwright</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss
List</a> ; <a rel="nofollow" title="dlj725@hughes.net">David Johnson</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 31, 2010
12:45 AM</div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Peace-discuss]
Fw: These People Are Voting</div>
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<td valign="top">If you really don't see any difference betw the
Dems and Repubs, well, it's beyond my ability to help you with
that. And if you do see a difference, but it's not enuff of a
difference for you, I guess you'll have to live w/ yr choice.
Unfortunately, I and others will also have to live w/ yr
choice, which means a hopelessly scary outcome.
<div> --Jenifer <br><br>--- On <b>Sat, 10/30/10,
David Johnson <i><<a rel="nofollow">dlj725@hughes.net</a>></i></b>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;BORDER-LEFT:rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid;"><br>From:
David Johnson <dlj725@hughes.net><br>Subject: Re:
[Peace-discuss] Fw: These People Are Voting<br>To:
"Peace-discuss List"
<peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net>, "Jenifer
Cartwright" <jencart13@yahoo.com><br>Date: Saturday,
October 30, 2010, 6:58 PM<br><br>
<div id="yiv1142369809yiv896249028yiv237751608">
<div><font face="Arial">Which " cretins " are you refering to
?</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">The corporate sponsored democrats or
the corporate sponsored republicans ?</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">I am voting for the ONLY real
alternative to corporate plutocracy,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">( since Dennis Kucinich, Nancy Kaptur,
or the small handfull of other decent dems are not in our
area ) and that is the GREEN party.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Don't be fooled by the good cop / bad
cop corporate game !</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">David J.</font></div>
<blockquote style="PADDING-RIGHT:0px;PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;BORDER-LEFT:#000000 2px solid;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px;">
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;">----- Original Message -----
</div>
<div style="BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4;FONT:10pt arial;"><b>From:</b>
<a rel="nofollow" title="jencart13@yahoo.com">Jenifer
Cartwright</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday,
October 30, 2010 5:22 PM</div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b>
[Peace-discuss] Fw: These People Are Voting</div>
<div><br></div>
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<td valign="top">Effective -- I hope this has been
playing long enuff and far and wide enuff for the
right (meaning, <i>left)</i> folks to see it and dop
their best on Tuesday to keep out the cretins.
(Easier to keep them out then get them out once
they're in -- think "Supreme Court"...)
<div> --Jenifer<br><br>--- On <b>Sat, 10/30/10,
James Rucker, ColorOfChange.org <i><<a rel="nofollow">info@colorofchange.org</a>></i></b>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;BORDER-LEFT:rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid;"><br>From:
James Rucker, ColorOfChange.org
<info@colorofchange.org><br>Subject: These
People Are Voting<br>To: "Jenifer Cartwright"
<jencart13@yahoo.com><br>Date: Saturday,
October 30, 2010, 2:25 PM<br><br>
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