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    Jenifer--<br>
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    Maybe I misunderstand you - I can't believe I've got it right - but
    are you actually describing the US-backed Israeli policy toward the
    Palestinians as "containment out of fear/for security reasons"?<br>
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    If the US/Israeli propaganda systems can convince American liberals
    of that, they have nothing to worry about. CGE<br>
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    On 11/2/10 1:56 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
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            <td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">David G,
              <div>Yikes! Yes, there is heightened emotion and ramped-up
                rhetoric on both sides -- the occupied population --
                "insurrectionists" -- are the good guys -- heroes! --
                only in reference to 1776 when the colonists were the
                former, opposing British rule... but PLEASE acknowledge
                that there is a HUGE HUGE HUGE difference betw
                containment out of fear/for security reasons (how ever
                ill-conceived the intent and cruel the result), and
                extermination of a population to destroy a culture and
                preserve a "master race." You need to re-visit that
                accusation and reword yr letter.</div>
              <div>&nbsp;--Jenifer &nbsp;&nbsp;<br>
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                --- On <b>Tue, 11/2/10, David Green <i><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com">&lt;davegreen84@yahoo.com&gt;</a></i></b>
                wrote:<br>
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                  From: David Green <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com">&lt;davegreen84@yahoo.com&gt;</a><br>
                  Subject: [Peace-discuss] Letter submitted to DI<br>
                  To: "Peace Discuss"
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">&lt;peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net&gt;</a>, "ASA"
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:asa.uiuc@gmail.com">&lt;asa.uiuc@gmail.com&gt;</a>, "Irfan Ahmad"
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:isahmad@uiuc.edu">&lt;isahmad@uiuc.edu&gt;</a>, "Lina ASA"
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lelbesh2@uiuc.edu">&lt;lelbesh2@uiuc.edu&gt;</a>, "ASA"
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:asa.uiuc@gmail.com">&lt;asa.uiuc@gmail.com&gt;</a>, "Sadia Bekal"
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sbekal@uiuc.edu">&lt;sbekal@uiuc.edu&gt;</a>, "CAIR"
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:hrahman2@uiuc.edu">&lt;hrahman2@uiuc.edu&gt;</a>, "CAN"
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:can.uiuc@gmail.com">&lt;can.uiuc@gmail.com&gt;</a>, "ISO"
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:iso.champaign@gmail.com">&lt;iso.champaign@gmail.com&gt;</a>, "Aisha Sobh"
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:asobh@uiuc.edu">&lt;asobh@uiuc.edu&gt;</a>, "STOP"
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:trevaellison@gmail.com">&lt;trevaellison@gmail.com&gt;</a><br>
                  Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2010, 12:27 PM<br>
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                              face="Calibri">On November 1st, Students
                              for Justice in Palestine hosted a
                              courageous young Israeli woman at Noyes
                              Lab who has refused to serve in the
                              Israeli occupying army. It was reported at
                              the conclusion of the event that SJP
                              received threats that attempted to
                              undermine the event. I would hope that
                              these threats would be specified,
                              publicized by the DI, investigated by
                              University Police, and addressed by
                              University administration.</font></p>
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                              face="Calibri">&nbsp;</font></p>
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                              face="Calibri">The event was
                              well-attended, including a couple of dozen
                              Zionist students. Their questions were
                              straight out of what is called the
                              "hasbara" (Zionist propaganda) playbook.
                              These students asserted that Palestinian
                              hatred for Israel is so stubborn that
                              nothing that Israel does could possibly do
                              would do anything but endanger the safety
                              of Israelis. These assertions were
                              competently addressed by the speakers,
                              including a Palestinian student who spoke
                              during the question period. The Israeli
                              speaker correctly asserted that the
                              Israeli government is the worst terrorist
                              in the Middle East; but actually, it would
                              be more correct to say that the U.S.
                              government is the worst terrorist in the
                              region.</font></p>
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                              face="Calibri">&nbsp;</font></p>
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                              face="Calibri">For the record, it's
                              important to note that students who
                              support and rationalize Israeli atrocities
                              are no different than German youth in the
                              1930s who supported the Nazi Party. Yes,
                              they are young. Yes, they are brainwashed.
                              But given the information available, these
                              are not valid excuses. These ugly and
                              hateful students show us that in 2010, on
                              the "diverse" UI campus, it is still
                              acceptable to support perpetrators and
                              blame victims, however obvious that
                              distinction is, with all of the racism
                              that that such willful ignorance implies.
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                              face="Calibri">This occurs partly because
                              University administration tacitly
                              equivocates between social justice and
                              political evil on issues of war and peace
                              in the Middle East. At that level, we all
                              ought to be ashamed of ourselves.</font></p>
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                              face="Calibri">David Green</font></p>
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