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The shark is the "Axis of Evil" American interventionalist foreign
policy which is dependent<br>
upon the material support of the American people.<br>
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It is pitifully naive to think that any sort of non-violent action will
cause that shark to relax its jaws.<br>
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Just because it worked for some remote village in Palestine is no
indication that it will work<br>
in the USA or for Palestine either. <br>
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Carl should correct me but it seems that the historic<br>
precedent says that either the people rise up themselves and correct
the problem, OR the<br>
situation continues to rot and weaken from the inside to the point that
some outside force<br>
slips in and hits them over the back of the head with a sock full of
skubulos.<br>
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Where is the evidence that non-violent resistance ends an occupation?<br>
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On 11/9/2010 9:48 PM, Robert Naiman wrote:
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<pre wrap="">In your analogy to the Israeli occupation, who exactly is "Mister
Shark"? Is it an individual Israeli soldier, his commander, the
Israeli government? Does "Mister Shark," in the case of the Israeli
occupation, also include the Israeli public? The US government? The US
public? Does it include us? Relative to the Palestinians, are we also
"Mister Shark"?
What's the context here? Some folks have made a *documentary* about
the *successful* nonviolent struggle of a Palestinian village to save
their land from confiscation for the Separation Barrier. It's a
strange context in which to say "nonviolence never works." It did
work. Not in some far away time and place, but in the Palestinian
village of Budrus, in the occupied West Bank.
Now, the fact that it worked in Budrus is no guarantee that it will
work in some other Palestinian village. In particular, the Israeli
occupation could escalate its repression. Indeed, it has.
But: the occupier is not the only side that has the possibility of
escalation. The nonviolent resistance could also escalate.
How do you escalate nonviolent resistance?
One way is to involve more people.
And that's the point, for me, of promoting the movie Budrus in the
United States: to get more people involved on the side of the
Palestinian nonviolent resistance, so that it stands a better chance
of succeeding.
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 11:14 PM, E.Wayne Johnson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag"><ewj@pigs.ag></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Seriously, Bob, I am quite interested in non-violent action and positively
detest violent action.
I am repulsed by the notion of violence almost as much as I am by the threat
thereof.
But, I perceive that the concept of any captive people being freed from an
occupation by nonviolent
action is ridiculous.
Hey! Mister Shark! I'm being nice and non-violent. Would you like to spit
my leg out now? I'm going to be late for Oprah if you don't let me go real
soon.
The only problem with your suggestion (as I see it), Bob, is that it fails
to take into
account the characteristics of sharks, the theoretical fundamentals of
communication with sharks, and the characteristics of ostensibly bitable
appendages, among other things, perhaps...
However, other than that, I am sure that Palestine can be freed quickly and
the whole world can participate in a historic rewrite of the future - at
home, on the couch, in front of their TV sets, when this movie comes out on
DeeVeeDee.
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Subject: [Peace-discuss] Help the Palestinians. Go See This Movie
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<pre wrap="">If many Americans see the movie Budrus, about the successful
nonviolent resistance of Palestinians and Israelis against the route
of the Israeli "separation barrier" and its confiscation of
Palestinian land in the West Bank village of Budrus, it could lead to
concrete changes in U.S. policy that would lead to real improvement in
the ability of Palestinians in the West Bank to free themselves from
the occupation by nonviolent action.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/help-the-palestinians-go_b_780609.html">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/help-the-palestinians-go_b_780609.html</a>
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