<html><head><base href="x-msg://41/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Sorry, David, but you have gone off the deep end in your criticism of the ACLU (or virtually any organization) because a member thereof may be malign in your opinion. Your bitterness is off-putting, not in your very useful letter to the DI, but in your attack on the ACLU (which I for one support for its not infrequent successful efforts to defend civil liberties and to broady publicize violations of same). Bob makes the point well. <div>--mkb</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Nov 19, 2010, at 4:02 PM, David Green wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Where's the presence of the local ACLU in the local media regarding criticism of Obama's policies?<br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Robert Naiman <<a href="mailto:naiman.uiuc@gmail.com">naiman.uiuc@gmail.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>David Green <<a href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Cc:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Peace Discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Fri, November 19, 2010 3:20:23 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Peace-discuss] ACLU liberals<br></font><br>I object to your guilt-by-association. If you want to slam one person<br>with whom you have an issue, that's one thing. It's another thing to<br>slam an organization, based on your interaction with one individual<br>who is in the organization.<br><br>If you follow what the national ACLU has been putting out on the<br>policies of the Obama Administration, on detention, on assassination,<br>on military commissions, on accountability for torture, etc. I think<br>one would be hard pressed to argue that they have been pulling their<br>punches.<br><br>On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:07 PM, David Green <<a href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>> The ACLU stands for one of many possible fundamental principles. Too many of<br>> its members think that that is the only one worth standing for, and wish to<br>> cover themselves with glory for doing so. It's become a pretty transparent<br>> business, and Gehrig's behavior exposes one aspect of that--he's an overt<br>> racist vis a vis the Palestinians, and he's especially annoyed that I showed<br>> him to be a liar regarding the death of Rachel Corrie. Bob, I would think<br>> that that would concern you regarding the credibility of the ACLU, as well<br>> as the substantive issue I've raised in my letter; likely I would think<br>> wrong. Nothing about liberals seems to bother you.<br>><br>> DG<br>> ________________________________<br>> From: Robert Naiman <<a href="mailto:naiman.uiuc@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:naiman.uiuc@gmail.com">naiman.uiuc@gmail.com</a>><br>> To: David Green <<a href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a>><br>> Cc: Peace Discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>><br>> Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 12:14:54 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] ACLU liberals<br>><br>> Is the ACLU responsible for what David Gehrig writes in letters to the<br>> DI? When he volunteered to sit at the table, should they have said:<br>> now, not just anyone can sit at this table. What kind of letters do<br>> you plan to write to the DI?<br>><br>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:03 PM, David Green <<a href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> The last time I saw David Gehrig, he was manning the ACLU table at the<br>>> Farmers Market. I hear that he has resigned from the Urbana City Council.<br>>> Here's his comment in response to my DI letter:<br>>><br>>><br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.dailyillini.com/opinions/letters-to-the-editor/2010/11/17/exploitation-of-war-for-fun-profit-disturbing#comments-title" target="_blank">http://www.dailyillini.com/opinions/letters-to-the-editor/2010/11/17/exploitation-of-war-for-fun-profit-disturbing#comments-title</a><br>>><br>>><br>>> "Is the Daily Illini really so hard up for letters that it must print<br>>> near-weekly squashrot from the fringe flake David Green? Has he absolutely<br>>> no idea of how he comes across? I've never seen anyone so brilliantly<br>>> incarnate every facet of the far-right parody of what a dour, smug,<br>>> holds-the-copyright-on-sanctimonious leftist is like. Is he some kind of<br>>> counter-Colbert, except that nobody's in on the joke?"<br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> Peace-discuss mailing list<br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" ymailto="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</a><br>>><br>>><br>><br>><br>><br>> --<br>> Robert Naiman<br>> Policy Director<br>> Just Foreign Policy<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.justforeignpolicy.org">www.justforeignpolicy.org</a><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org" ymailto="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a><br>><br>> Urge Congress to Support a Timetable for Military Withdrawal from<br>> Afghanistan<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/act/feingold-mcgovern" target="_blank">http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/act/feingold-mcgovern</a><br>><br>><br><br><br><br>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Robert Naiman<br>Policy Director<br>Just Foreign Policy<br><a href="http://www.justforeignpolicy.org">www.justforeignpolicy.org</a><br><a href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org" ymailto="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a><br><br>Urge Congress to Support a Timetable for Military Withdrawal from Afghanistan<br><a href="http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/act/feingold-mcgovern" target="_blank">http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/act/feingold-mcgovern</a><br></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>Peace-discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss">http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</a><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>