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The ACLU with its basic commitment to free speech, supported the SC
decision on Citizens' United.<br>
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On 11/20/10 1:41 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:<br>
<span style="white-space: pre;">> I'm guessing many if not most
on this list are both members of the<br>
> ACLU and also in agreement about Israel-Palestine,
Afghanistan,<br>
> Citizens' United, choice, unemployment benefits, tax breaks
for the<br>
> wealthy, unions, etc etc etc... --Jenifer<br>
> <br>
> --- On *Sat, 11/20/10, David Green
/<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com"><davegreen84@yahoo.com></a>/* wrote:<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> From: David Green <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com"><davegreen84@yahoo.com></a> Subject: Re:<br>
> [Peace-discuss] ACLU liberals To: "Jenifer Cartwright"<br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com"><jencart13@yahoo.com></a> Cc: "Peace Discuss"<br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"><peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net></a> Date: Saturday,
November 20, 2010,<br>
> 11:11 AM<br>
> <br>
> "many of its members are with us"<br>
> <br>
> How so?<br>
> <br>
> ------------------------- *From:* Jenifer Cartwright<br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com"><jencart13@yahoo.com></a> *To:* Morton K. Brussel
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu"><brussel@illinois.edu></a>;<br>
> David Green <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com"><davegreen84@yahoo.com></a> *Cc:* Peace Discuss<br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"><peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net></a> *Sent:* Sat,
November 20, 2010<br>
> 10:27:57 AM *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] ACLU liberals<br>
> <br>
> The ACLU's function is to protect civil liberties, and that's
a good<br>
> thing -- it often means that good guys get their day in court
and<br>
> win. But it also protects the rights of dreadful people to
say and do<br>
> dreadful things when the law's on their side. The ACLU
doesn't take a<br>
> stand on political issues unless rights are violated, and it
isn't a<br>
> peace organization, altho' many of its members are with us,
just as<br>
> many of our members support the ACLU. --Jenifer<br>
> <br>
> --- On *Sat, 11/20/10, David Green
/<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com"><davegreen84@yahoo.com></a>/* wrote:<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> From: David Green <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com"><davegreen84@yahoo.com></a> Subject: Re:<br>
> [Peace-discuss] ACLU liberals To: "Morton K. Brussel"<br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu"><brussel@illinois.edu></a> Cc: "Peace Discuss"<br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"><peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net></a> Date: Saturday,
November 20, 2010,<br>
> 9:35 AM<br>
> <br>
> Mort, doesn't it bother you that a prominent member of the
local<br>
> member of the ACLU goes out of his way to make an ad hominem
attack<br>
> on someone he doesn't happen to like (primarily because of my
support<br>
> for the Palestinians) for expressing opposition to both war
and video<br>
> games about them, boldly asserting that the DI should not
print my<br>
> letters (of which it has printed two in just over two
months)? Isn't<br>
> the irony and hypocrisy overwhelming enough for you? Exactly
what<br>
> would Gehrig have to do to get you to focus your attention on
his<br>
> nastiness, stupidity, and evasiveness, rather than my very<br>
> appropriate curiosity about the attraction of the ACLU for
someone<br>
> like him?<br>
> <br>
> ------------------------- *From:* Morton K. Brussel<br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu"><brussel@illinois.edu></a> *To:* David Green
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com"><davegreen84@yahoo.com></a> <br>
> *Cc:* <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:naiman.uiuc@gmail.com">naiman.uiuc@gmail.com</a>; Peace Discuss<br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"><peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net></a> *Sent:* Fri,
November 19, 2010<br>
> 9:59:57 PM *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] ACLU liberals<br>
> <br>
> Sorry, David, but you have gone off the deep end in your
criticism of<br>
> the ACLU (or virtually any organization) because a member
thereof may<br>
> be malign in your opinion. Your bitterness is off-putting,
not in<br>
> your very useful letter to the DI, but in your attack on the
ACLU<br>
> (which I for one support for its not infrequent successful
efforts to<br>
> defend civil liberties and to broady publicize violations of
same).<br>
> Bob makes the point well. --mkb<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Nov 19, 2010, at 4:02 PM, David Green wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> Where's the presence of the local ACLU in the local media
regarding<br>
>> criticism of Obama's policies?<br>
>> <br>
>> ------------------------- *From:* Robert Naiman<br>
>> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:naiman.uiuc@gmail.com"><naiman.uiuc@gmail.com></a> *To:* David Green
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com"><davegreen84@yahoo.com></a> <br>
>> *Cc:* Peace Discuss
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"><peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net></a> *Sent:* Fri,<br>
>> November 19, 2010 3:20:23 PM *Subject:* Re:
[Peace-discuss] ACLU<br>
>> liberals<br>
>> <br>
>> I object to your guilt-by-association. If you want to
slam one<br>
>> person with whom you have an issue, that's one thing.
It's another<br>
>> thing to slam an organization, based on your interaction
with one<br>
>> individual who is in the organization.<br>
>> <br>
>> If you follow what the national ACLU has been putting out
on the <br>
>> policies of the Obama Administration, on detention, on<br>
>> assassination, on military commissions, on accountability
for<br>
>> torture, etc. I think one would be hard pressed to argue
that they<br>
>> have been pulling their punches.<br>
>> <br>
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:07 PM, David Green<br>
>> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com"><davegreen84@yahoo.com></a> wrote:<br>
>>> The ACLU stands for one of many possible fundamental
principles.<br>
>>> Too many of its members think that that is the only
one worth<br>
>>> standing for, and wish to cover themselves with glory
for doing<br>
>>> so. It's become a pretty transparent business, and
Gehrig's<br>
>>> behavior exposes one aspect of that--he's an overt
racist vis a<br>
>>> vis the Palestinians, and he's especially annoyed
that I showed <br>
>>> him to be a liar regarding the death of Rachel
Corrie. Bob, I<br>
>>> would think that that would concern you regarding the
credibility<br>
>>> of the ACLU, as well as the substantive issue I've
raised in my<br>
>>> letter; likely I would think wrong. Nothing about
liberals seems<br>
>>> to bother you.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> DG ________________________________ From: Robert
Naiman<br>
>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:naiman.uiuc@gmail.com"><naiman.uiuc@gmail.com></a> To: David Green
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com"><davegreen84@yahoo.com></a> <br>
>>> Cc: Peace Discuss
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"><peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net></a> Sent: Fri,<br>
>>> November 19, 2010 12:14:54 PM Subject: Re:
[Peace-discuss] ACLU<br>
>>> liberals<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Is the ACLU responsible for what David Gehrig writes
in letters<br>
>>> to the DI? When he volunteered to sit at the table,
should they<br>
>>> have said: now, not just anyone can sit at this
table. What kind<br>
>>> of letters do you plan to write to the DI?<br>
>>> <br>
>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:03 PM, David Green<br>
>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com"><davegreen84@yahoo.com></a> wrote:<br>
>>>> The last time I saw David Gehrig, he was manning
the ACLU table<br>
>>>> at the Farmers Market. I hear that he has
resigned from the<br>
>>>> Urbana City Council. Here's his comment in
response to my DI<br>
>>>> letter:<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.dailyillini.com/opinions/letters-to-the-editor/2010/11/17/exploitation-of-war-for-fun-profit-disturbing#comments-title">http://www.dailyillini.com/opinions/letters-to-the-editor/2010/11/17/exploitation-of-war-for-fun-profit-disturbing#comments-title</a><br>
>><br>
>>>> <br>
>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> "Is the Daily Illini really so hard up for
letters that it must<br>
>>>> print near-weekly squashrot from the fringe flake
David Green?<br>
>>>> Has he absolutely no idea of how he comes across?
I've never<br>
>>>> seen anyone so brilliantly incarnate every facet
of the<br>
>>>> far-right parody of what a dour, smug, <br>
>>>> holds-the-copyright-on-sanctimonious leftist is
like. Is he<br>
>>>> some kind of counter-Colbert, except that
nobody's in on the<br>
>>>> joke?"<br>
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