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It's been an argument coming from church officials - bishops and
clergy, particularly in the global south - for some time. <br>
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On 11/20/10 8:17 PM, Corey Mattson wrote:
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<div>Carl - I think I found where you're quoting from and don't
agree with your interpretation of it. It says that the Pope has
been criticized by even church officials on his view that
monogamous couples should not use condoms to avoid disease. It
doesn't mention how many church officials. Just before this
statement, the article says that the Pope did not mention
couples where one spouse is infected, mentioning only the case
of male prostitutes. (BTW, I support any move toward condom use,
but of course for everybody, not just males and male
prostitutes. Didn't want to give the wrong impression.)</div>
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On Nov 20, 2010, at 4:59 PM, "C. G. Estabrook" <<a
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<div> As the article points out, church officials have accepted
"condom use for ... couples [with an HIV+ spouse] to protect
the uninfected spouse from transmission." The pope's remarks
will reinforce that opinion. <br>
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On 11/20/10 4:40 PM, Corey Mattson wrote:
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<div>Huh...Surprising. Like Carl implies, it looks like the
Church can permit condom use when it doesn't directly
impede procreation. So tell me if I got the Pope's view
wrong: Condoms used to stop diseases are fine, only when
the sexual act in which they're used cannot result in
pregnancy. This is surprising, since someone opposed to
homosexuality could easily argue that allowing for condom
use among homosexual males is also promoting sex that does
not result in procreation. Like everything coming from the
Vatican, it seems a little convoluted.</div>
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<div>Corey</div>
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On Nov 20, 2010, at 1:56 PM, "C. G. Estabrook" <<a
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<div> ...was making the fairly obvious point that it's
better not to risk the spread of disease. <br>
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His comment attracts notice only because earlier popes
had disapproved of condoms for birth control.<br>
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I think it's fair to say that the pope doesn't approve
of homosexual acts among adult males.<br>
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On 11/20/10 1:32 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
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<div>Omg, color me shocked reading the Pope's
stance on the use of condoms for male
prostitutes until I realized that once
again, this benefits ONLY males (double duty
this time, ya might say). So the pope is
okay w/ homosexuality so long as it's
limited to ADULT males?? Any chance that the
Christian right and tea-baggers will follow
suit, do ya suppose??</div>
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