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From the BBC: "Austen Ivereigh, coordinator of the Catholic Voices
group, said that while this was the first time the Pope had voiced
such an opinion on condoms, it was in line with what Catholic moral
theologians have been saying for many years."<br>
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On 11/20/10 8:52 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
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It's been an argument coming from church officials - bishops and
clergy, particularly in the global south - for some time. <br>
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On 11/20/10 8:17 PM, Corey Mattson wrote:
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<div>Carl - I think I found where you're quoting from and don't
agree with your interpretation of it. It says that the Pope
has been criticized by even church officials on his view that
monogamous couples should not use condoms to avoid disease. It
doesn't mention how many church officials. Just before this
statement, the article says that the Pope did not mention
couples where one spouse is infected, mentioning only the case
of male prostitutes. (BTW, I support any move toward condom
use, but of course for everybody, not just males and male
prostitutes. Didn't want to give the wrong impression.)</div>
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On Nov 20, 2010, at 4:59 PM, "C. G. Estabrook" <<a
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<div> As the article points out, church officials have
accepted "condom use for ... couples [with an HIV+ spouse]
to protect the uninfected spouse from transmission." The
pope's remarks will reinforce that opinion. <br>
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On 11/20/10 4:40 PM, Corey Mattson wrote:
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<div>Huh...Surprising. Like Carl implies, it looks like
the Church can permit condom use when it doesn't
directly impede procreation. So tell me if I got the
Pope's view wrong: Condoms used to stop diseases are
fine, only when the sexual act in which they're used
cannot result in pregnancy. This is surprising, since
someone opposed to homosexuality could easily argue that
allowing for condom use among homosexual males is also
promoting sex that does not result in procreation. Like
everything coming from the Vatican, it seems a little
convoluted.</div>
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<div>Corey</div>
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On Nov 20, 2010, at 1:56 PM, "C. G. Estabrook" <<a
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<div> ...was making the fairly obvious point that it's
better not to risk the spread of disease. <br>
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His comment attracts notice only because earlier popes
had disapproved of condoms for birth control.<br>
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I think it's fair to say that the pope doesn't approve
of homosexual acts among adult males.<br>
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On 11/20/10 1:32 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
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<div>Omg, color me shocked reading the
Pope's stance on the use of condoms for
male prostitutes until I realized that
once again, this benefits ONLY males
(double duty this time, ya might say). So
the pope is okay w/ homosexuality so long
as it's limited to ADULT males?? Any
chance that the Christian right and
tea-baggers will follow suit, do ya
suppose??</div>
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