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<DIV>How so?<BR></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13@yahoo.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Morton K. Brussel <brussel@illinois.edu>; David Green <davegreen84@yahoo.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> Peace Discuss <peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sat, November 20, 2010 10:27:57 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Peace-discuss] ACLU liberals<BR></FONT><BR>
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<TD vAlign=top>The ACLU's function is to protect civil liberties, and that's a good thing -- it often means that good guys get their day in court and win. But it also protects the rights of dreadful people to say and do dreadful things when the law's on their side. The ACLU doesn't take a stand on political issues unless rights are violated, and it isn't a peace organization, altho' many of its members are with us, just as many of our members support the ACLU.
<DIV> --Jenifer<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 11/20/10, David Green <I><davegreen84@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>Mort, doesn't it bother you that a prominent member of the local member of the ACLU goes out of his way to make an ad hominem attack on someone he doesn't happen to like (primarily because of my support for the Palestinians) for expressing opposition to both war and video games about them, boldly asserting that the DI should not print my letters (of which it has printed two in just over two months)? Isn't the irony and hypocrisy overwhelming enough for you? Exactly what would Gehrig have to do to get you to focus your attention on his nastiness, stupidity, and evasiveness, rather than my very appropriate curiosity about the attraction of the ACLU for someone like him?</DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Morton K. Brussel <brussel@illinois.edu><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> David Green <davegreen84@yahoo.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> naiman.uiuc@gmail.com; Peace Discuss <peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Fri, November 19, 2010 9:59:57 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Peace-discuss] ACLU liberals<BR></FONT><BR><BASE>Sorry, David, but you have gone off the deep end in your criticism of the ACLU (or virtually any organization) because a member thereof may be malign in your opinion. Your bitterness is off-putting, not in your very useful letter to the DI, but in your attack on the ACLU (which I for one support for its not infrequent successful efforts to defend civil liberties and to broady publicize violations of same). Bob makes the point well.
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Where's the presence of the local ACLU in the local media regarding criticism of Obama's policies?<BR></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN class=yiv1993464403Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Robert Naiman <<A rel=nofollow>naiman.uiuc@gmail.com</A>><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN class=yiv1993464403Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>David Green <<A rel=nofollow>davegreen84@yahoo.com</A>><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B><SPAN class=yiv1993464403Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Peace Discuss <<A rel=nofollow>peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</A>><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN class=yiv1993464403Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Fri, November 19, 2010 3:20:23 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN class=yiv1993464403Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [Peace-discuss] ACLU liberals<BR></FONT><BR>I object to your guilt-by-association. If you want to slam one person<BR>with whom you have an issue, that's one thing.
It's another thing to<BR>slam an organization, based on your interaction with one individual<BR>who is in the organization.<BR><BR>If you follow what the national ACLU has been putting out on the<BR>policies of the Obama Administration, on detention, on assassination,<BR>on military commissions, on accountability for torture, etc. I think<BR>one would be hard pressed to argue that they have been pulling their<BR>punches.<BR><BR>On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:07 PM, David Green <<A rel=nofollow>davegreen84@yahoo.com</A>> wrote:<BR>> The ACLU stands for one of many possible fundamental principles. Too many of<BR>> its members think that that is the only one worth standing for, and wish to<BR>> cover themselves with glory for doing so. It's become a pretty transparent<BR>> business, and Gehrig's behavior exposes one aspect of that--he's an overt<BR>> racist vis a vis the Palestinians, and he's especially annoyed that I showed<BR>> him to
be a liar regarding the death of Rachel Corrie. Bob, I would think<BR>> that that would concern you regarding the credibility of the ACLU, as well<BR>> as the substantive issue I've raised in my letter; likely I would think<BR>> wrong. Nothing about liberals seems to bother you.<BR>><BR>> DG<BR>> ________________________________<BR>> From: Robert Naiman <<A rel=nofollow>naiman.uiuc@gmail.com</A>><BR>> To: David Green <<A rel=nofollow>davegreen84@yahoo.com</A>><BR>> Cc: Peace Discuss <<A rel=nofollow>peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</A>><BR>> Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 12:14:54 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] ACLU liberals<BR>><BR>> Is the ACLU responsible for what David Gehrig writes in letters to the<BR>> DI? When he volunteered to sit at the table, should they have said:<BR>> now, not just anyone can sit at this table. What kind of letters do<BR>> you plan to write to the
DI?<BR>><BR>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:03 PM, David Green <<A rel=nofollow>davegreen84@yahoo.com</A>> wrote:<BR>>> The last time I saw David Gehrig, he was manning the ACLU table at the<BR>>> Farmers Market. I hear that he has resigned from the Urbana City Council.<BR>>> Here's his comment in response to my DI letter:<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><SPAN class=yiv1993464403Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A href="http://www.dailyillini.com/opinions/letters-to-the-editor/2010/11/17/exploitation-of-war-for-fun-profit-disturbing#comments-title" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.dailyillini.com/opinions/letters-to-the-editor/2010/11/17/exploitation-of-war-for-fun-profit-disturbing#comments-title</A><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> "Is the Daily Illini really so hard up for letters that it must print<BR>>> near-weekly squashrot from the fringe flake David Green? Has he absolutely<BR>>> no idea of how
he comes across? I've never seen anyone so brilliantly<BR>>> incarnate every facet of the far-right parody of what a dour, smug,<BR>>> holds-the-copyright-on-sanctimonious leftist is like. Is he some kind of<BR>>> counter-Colbert, except that nobody's in on the joke?"<BR>>><BR>>> _______________________________________________<BR>>> Peace-discuss mailing list<BR>>><SPAN class=yiv1993464403Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A rel=nofollow>Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</A><BR>>><SPAN class=yiv1993464403Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A href="http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</A><BR>>><BR>>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> --<BR>> Robert Naiman<BR>> Policy Director<BR>> Just Foreign Policy<BR>><SPAN class=yiv1993464403Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/" rel=nofollow target=_blank>www.justforeignpolicy.org</A><BR>><SPAN class=yiv1993464403Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A rel=nofollow>naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</A><BR>><BR>> Urge Congress to Support a Timetable for Military Withdrawal from<BR>> Afghanistan<BR>><SPAN class=yiv1993464403Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A href="http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/act/feingold-mcgovern" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/act/feingold-mcgovern</A><BR>><BR>><BR><BR><BR><BR>--<SPAN class=yiv1993464403Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>Robert Naiman<BR>Policy Director<BR>Just Foreign Policy<BR><A href="http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/" rel=nofollow target=_blank>www.justforeignpolicy.org</A><BR><A rel=nofollow>naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</A><BR><BR>Urge Congress to Support a Timetable for Military Withdrawal from Afghanistan<BR><A
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