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"Why am I raving against them? <br>
Why bother? <br>
The only thing that will stop them is a drastic breakdown<br>
in our industrial system...No moral or intellectual arguement <br>
has ever stopped them in the past..." <br>
- Robert Crumb (1977)<br>
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On 11/27/2010 2:32 PM, E. Wayne Johnson wrote:
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I don't think that there will be much rounding up and laying hands on
scapegoats <br>
to bear the sins of the American masses in the aftermath of this one.<br>
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Nor will they suddenly wake up and say Omigod, what have we done?<br>
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Fragmentation of the Untied States seems to be the only possible
solution, as Bill Kauffman has <br>
discussed if not prescribed, although one can likewise imagine being
pursued by the <br>
fragments, terminator style.<br>
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On 11/27/2010 12:34 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
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What would we have said of a liberal political group in Germany in 1944
that complained that it was too expensive to run both the concentration
camps <i>and</i> the war in Russia, and therefore that it was time to
economize, downsizing each operation...? I don't think that would have
saved them at Nuremberg.<br>
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On 11/26/10 10:22 PM, E. Wayne Johnson wrote:<br>
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> Is America on the path to 'permanent war'?<br>
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href="http://edition.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/11/23/war.afghan/index.html">http://edition.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/11/23/war.afghan/index.html</a><br>
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> "...John Cioffi, a political science professor at University<br>
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of<br>
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> California, Riverside, says the nation's "increasingly<br>
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unhinged<br>
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> ideological politics" makes it difficult for the country to<br>
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extract<br>
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> itself from battles in Afghanistan, Iraq and Central Asia.<br>
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_"The<br>
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> U.S. is not on the path to permanent war; it is in the midst<br>
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of a<br>
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> permanent war,"_ Cioffi says. Permanent war is made possible<br>
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by<br>
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> massive defense spending that has been viewed as untouchable.<br>
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But<br>
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> that may change with the recent financial crisis and the<br>
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decline of<br>
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> the nation's industry, Cioffi says. More ordinary Americans<br>
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might<br>
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> conclude that they can't have a vibrant domestic economy and<br>
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> unquestioned military spending, Cioffi says. /"All this<br>
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points to a<br>
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> time in the future when the government will no longer have<br>
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the<br>
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> resources or popular support to maintain what amounts to an<br>
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imperial<br>
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> military presence around the world/," he says.<br>
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> ****<br>
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