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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 11, 2010 6:34 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [socialistdiscussion] the center of
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<DIV>All the contributions of the comrades tend in the same direction. Once
again, years of theoretical speculation are being clarified and resolved in
practice by historical events. </DIV>
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<DIV>In Britain, the new generation of youth have made up overnight for two
decades of political stagnation. There are currently at least 30 occupations
still continuing at educational establishments around the country. Students at
the sixth-form college where I run a weekly activity (around the youth magazine
CARBOLIC) are throwing themselves wholeheartedly into almost daily street
demonstrations, learning overnight the role of the banks, the police, the media,
the political parties, and the careerist bureaucrats at the head of their own
National Union of Students. Even at the secondary school where I work full-time,
students devised their own petition protesting at the scrapping of EMA, and
within two days 500 had signed it. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The sudden political awakening of the youth has changed things
forever. It has real revolutionary significance. It is reminiscent of
France in May 1968 - but these are not the relatively privileged students of
1968, whose radicalism had a certain romantic flavour. These are largely
working-class youth from the lower depths of society. At this college,
for instance (the biggest in the country), 70% of the students are dependent on
EMA - which is only paid in full to students from households earning less than
£20,800 a year. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Spontaneous movements have grown up within days, improvising and
multiplying at astronomic rates via the internet and mobile phones. The elder
siblings and parents of this generation, facing redundancy, cuts in welfare and
housing benefit, and repossession, will have no choice but to follow their
example. The ponderous sluggish machinery of the national trade union
bureaucracy will have no chance of leading this movement - let alone
the stranded clique of ex-Blairite/Brownite MPs in parliament, who are
still in a state of shock and grief at their brutal rejection by the ruling
class as instruments of political rule.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ad-hoc anti-cuts coalitions are springing up here and there, composed of
local trade-union branches, campaigning activists, consumer groups, etc. As
Julian says, potentially these could become incipient soviets. The trade union
apparatus and the Labour Parties at local level will no doubt be swept into
support alongside these local initiatives, but there is no sign that they could
form the vanguard. Of course there will be lulls and setbacks and even periods
of demoralisation, but surely we are seeing already a faint outline of what
shape the movement is taking as it revives.</DIV>
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<DIV>Roger Silverman </DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 11/12/2010 23:12:02 GMT Standard Time,
brutalseang@gmail.com writes:</DIV>
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<DIV>The student movement in the bay area is still very decentralized and
weak. Large numbers can be brought together for various protests or
demonstrations, but with the exception of a few spectacular examples, the real
class conscious and aggressive element is small. It is also unfortunately
dominated by anarchists which more so take advantage of the masses of
interested students as opposed to working to grow or maintain them.</DIV>
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<DIV>Every campus has different student groups at various levels of
consciousness and strength but there hasn't been any real effort to organize a
mass action committee, a massive student council, with which to help organize
and develop the movement. The bay area is geographically very divided -
with a giant body of water between East and West which makes Bay Area wide
coordination even more crucial.</DIV>
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<DIV>There have been California-wide general assemblies, and these could
possibly develop into something very interesting but (as far as I know,
correct me someone if I am wrong) these meet very infrequently and I've only
attended one, which was the assembly which called for last year's March 4th
general strike and day of action. So for however much potential may be locked
up in these CA general assemblies, they meet too infrequently and cover too
large an area to be what we need. We need a bay area general
assembly.<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Ed Bober <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A title=mailto:ed@edbober.plus.com
href="mailto:ed@edbober.plus.com">ed@edbober.plus.com</A>></SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial>Sean</FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial>Norfolk Coalition Against the Cuts is
both a reflection of the new movement that is opening up and the result of
pressure over a couple of years from within unions to get a more active,
flexible campaigning stance. </FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial>NCAC’s authority comes from the unions
that set it up. Its flexibility comes from its inclusion of numerous smaller
community groups whose initiatives it supports. It has grown from within the
struggle itself as new groups have affiliated. It embraces many strands of
political opinion.</FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial>It will not always grow from strength
the strength. There are bound to be periods of setback and defeat. This is
one of the reasons why the movement needs cadres, people who have a good
understanding of Marxism, who can think creatively and can analyse new
situations as they develop.</FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial>The dilemma we face is how to develop
cadres at the same time as work within this flood of new activity. The
movement is being reborn through the anger and protest of students as young
as 16. </FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial>It is especially encouraging that there
are a number young people involved who are thirsting to learn more about
Marxism. We have to find ways of combining the practical tasks of
campaigning with the educational tasks, study of the classics of Marxism and
study of contemporary political and economic developments. </FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial>We are experimenting with ways of
organising all the time: trying to combine the two tasks. Have you faced a
similar situation in California around the student movement? How did you
tackle this problem?</FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial>Ed</FONT></P>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
title=mailto:1999wildcat@gmail.com href="mailto:1999wildcat@gmail.com"
target=_blank>John Reimann</A> </DIV>
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<P>I agree with Sean here. In fact, I would possibly go a bit further. I
think that the focal point of the struggle will be in the streets and work
places - mobilizations against the cuts themselves, rather than focus on
changing the unions (or the Labour Party - or building a new such party).
This doesn't mean that the unions or the LP will go untouched, but
especially for the newer forces, this won't be their focus. In fact, from
what I am reading, thois is already the case as far as the student
movement is concerned. <BR><BR>John<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Sean Gallagher
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A title=mailto:brutalseang@gmail.com
href="mailto:brutalseang@gmail.com"
target=_blank>brutalseang@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>There has been some debate before on this list over what
organizations the new movement will rise into. I used to think that
these struggles would have the effect of "recapturing" the leadership of
the union, and that because the students have to link up with the wider
working class, it's only natural that the labor unions would be the
organizational center of this new movement. But the more I read about
things like the Norwich community council against the cuts - and also go
back and read about how the soviets arose in 1905, or the Seattle
general strike of 1919, I am more convinced that the directing bodies of
the struggle will develop much more organically and <I>will inevitably
first develop as very broad-based councils arising with some
spontaneity from the struggle itself, and not through or from the
already established unions or political parties. </I></DIV>
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<DIV>The soviets had their origins in a strike committee established in
St. Petersberg, they did not come out full blown as revolutionary
attachments to the Bolsheviks or other socialist parties but on the
contrary they were broad community wide councils, with the pragmatic
task of directing the general strike at that moment and contained within
them all sorts of political tendencies and even serious bourgeois
influences.</DIV>
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<DIV>I am not saying things like the Norwich community council, or the
Oscar Grant "Oakland Assembly", or any other like body, will inevitably
with the right agitation develop into revolutionary bodies, but simply
that I think these are the real focal point of the struggle.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The fight against the union bureaucrats and opportunists will not
develop the struggle - it is the other way around: the larger movement
will influence the unions. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In the midst of a protest, a strike, a movement, democratic bodies
to organize the fight arise organically fitted to that particular issue
- not prefabricated revolutionary bodies. These are the future soviets.
The unions will play a secondary role in the leadership of the worker's
struggle and can only rise to the occasion with enormous outside
pressure and the politicization of its rank-and-file by a wider
movement.</DIV></DIV>
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