<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Yes, David, an interesting and entertaining video and talk by Wolff. Some things Wolff says need to be questioned or elaborated , (e.g., on Yale and New Haven which I know something about); he exaggerates somewhat, but his message is usefully grim, not only for us, but also for other nations, in particular China (and the UK!), which he says are in a terrible predicament—exports have dried up in China, he says—. The ultimate message: We need a new and better economic system. <div><br></div><div>He didn't delineate the "working classes" in any detail in what I heard.<div><br></div><div>--Mort</div><div><br><div><div>On Dec 13, 2010, at 4:24 PM, David Johnson wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div><font face="Arial">Mort,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Check out the video presentation by Prof. Richard Wolf
titled " When Capitalism Hits the Fan ".</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">He does an excellent job of presenting the data ( and in a
humorous entertaining manner at times ) that explains the phenomena we
currently are in and delves into some of the issues of " who is
a Worker ". That is, how the corporate media uses specific terms and
language to divide us and to shape a phoney image of reality that they
want us to believe.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">David J.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">David J.</font></div>
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<a title="brussel@illinois.edu" href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu">Morton K.
Brussel</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="jencart13@yahoo.com" href="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com">Jenifer Cartwright</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace Discuss</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 13, 2010 2:25
PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Peace-discuss] Commentary
submitted to N-G</div>
<div><br></div>Even managers and executives of businesses and corporations
"work". I think what David was referring to is what has been known as the
"proletariat", those at the lowest ends of the wage scale, especially
industrial workers, those that expend human energy with their hands rather
more than with their minds or at computer terminals. Most in the categories
you mention would not consider themselves "workers" in the Marxist sense.
(That may be part of our social problem.) But my original point was that
it was somewhat simplistic to say that the increase in efficiency in the post
WWII years was to be credited mostly to the "workers" in the more narrow
sense. --mkb
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<div>On Dec 13, 2010, at 1:48 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<td valign="top">Just a side issue related to the discussion:
<div>Scientists, engineers, researchers, teachers, machinists, grad
students, academicians, assembly line folks, cooks, doctors, lawyers,
wait staff, innovators, artists, actors, maintenance staff,
cinematographers, pro-ball players, social workers, miners etc etc etc
all are <i>workers</i>, i e part of labor, rather than management. Yr
differentiation should be the hierarchy and systems under which they
work, and the protections and benefits they have as workers, not the
snobbery attached to their job title. Jmho.</div>
<div> --Jenifer <br><br>--- On <b>Mon, 12/13/10, David Green
<i><<a href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a>></i></b>
wrote:<br>
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David Green <<a href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a>><br>Subject:
Re: [Peace-discuss] Commentary submitted to N-G<br>To: "Morton K.
Brussel" <<a href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu">brussel@illinois.edu</a>><br>Cc:
"Peace Discuss" <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>><br>Date:
Monday, December 13, 2010, 8:55 AM<br><br>
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<div>I do understand the point of your remarks, Mort. It's a
question of how much more the scientists, engineers, etc. should
benefit from the profits from productivity increases generated by
their work, relative to workers. But it's not clear that the
innovators themselves even benefit that much in the context of the
marketing of these innovations, relative to the Bill Gates's of the
world, etc. It's not clear how much innovators should be entitled to
profit when their work is being funded by the public, and those
profits couldn't exist without a publicly-supported infrastructure
(including education) that operates on so many levels. It's not
clear that innovators profiting considerably more than workers is
socially just, or good for society in general. In the final
analysis, we have an innovative system within which financiers
profit the most. Do they deserve it? It seems to me that we should
err on the side of social justice and relative equality rather
than individual reward. If innovators aren't happy with a decent,
well-above average living rather than exorbitant rewards, then
let them withhold their genius from mankind and work on Rube
Goldberg machines. Mankind will be better off with a little less
innovation by people of this sort, and a lot more
equality.</div>
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<div>DG<br></div>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b> Morton K.
Brussel <<a href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu">brussel@illinois.edu</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> David Green <<a href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</span></b> Peace Discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Sun, December 12, 2010
11:10:11 PM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Peace-discuss]
Commentary submitted to N-G<br></font><br>Yeah, and that system was
better (for the people!) than what succeeded it. But you are grossly
missing the point of my original remarks. --mkb
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<div>On Dec 12, 2010, at 7:26 PM, David Green wrote:</div><br class="yiv1854209885Apple-interchange-newline">
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<div style="MARGIN: 0px">You mean, the Bell Telephone that was
accorded by regulatory authorities to serve as a monopoly on
behalf of the government, and ostensibly the people?</div>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b><span class="yiv1854209885Apple-converted-space"> </span>Morton K.
Brussel <<a href="x-msg://2083/mc/compose?to=brussel@illinois.edu" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu">brussel@illinois.edu</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b><span class="yiv1854209885Apple-converted-space"> </span>David
Johnson <<a href="x-msg://2083/mc/compose?to=dlj725@hughes.net" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dlj725@hughes.net"><font color="red"><b>MailScanner
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December 12, 2010 6:34:08 PM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b><span class="yiv1854209885Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[Peace-discuss] Commentary submitted to N-G<br></font><br>Davids,
<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><br></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px">Thanks for your remarks, certainly true,
but the invention then had to be brought to the marketplace.
That's where the entrepreneurs, Bell Telephone, and others
(especially in the computing sector) saw its technological
evolution. </div>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0px">--Mort</div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><br>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px">
<div style="MARGIN: 0px">On Dec 12, 2010, at 4:39 PM, David
Johnson wrote:</div><br class="yiv1854209885Apple-interchange-newline">
<blockquote type="cite"><span class="yiv1854209885Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: medium Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; WIDOWS: 2; ORPHANS: 2">
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<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font face="Arial" size="2"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">" Entrepreneurs had a fairly large
contribution here, i.e., the capitalist
system."</font></font></div>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font face="Arial" size="2">Mort,</font></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font face="Arial" size="2">Three Physists
( Bardeen, Shockley, and Brattain ) who WORKED for Bell
Laboratory ( ie. EMPLOYEES aka WORKERS ) invented the transistor
in 1947.</font></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font face="Arial" size="2">The capitalist
system had nothing to do with the invention except to enable
Bell Labs reap the vast majority of the
profits.</font></div>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font face="Arial" size="2">David
J.</font></div>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(228,228,228)"><b>From:</b><span class="yiv1854209885Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="brussel@illinois.edu" href="x-msg://2083/mc/compose?to=brussel@illinois.edu" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu">Morton K.
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December 12, 2010 4:02 PM</div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b><span class="yiv1854209885Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[Peace-discuss] Commentary submitted to N-G</div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><br></div>Valuable observations and
facts. I would only quibble with one argument: The gain in
productivity (during the years quoted) was probably less due
to the work and sweat of the nonprofessional "workers"
than to the<span class="yiv1854209885Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="yiv1854209885Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="yiv1854209885Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="yiv1854209885Apple-converted-space"> </span>invention
of the transistor and its subsequent technology. The
question/argument than might become who should get the
benefits from the increased productivity.
<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><br></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px">Of course, without the workers,
professional and other, the gains in productivity would not
have been realizable…. Take it from there…</div>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0px">--mkb</div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><br></div>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0px">On Dec 12, 2010, at 1:07 PM, David
Green wrote:</div><br class="yiv1854209885Apple-interchange-newline">
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<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><p class="yiv1854209885MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><font face="Calibri"><b>Misguided
critics of public schools ignore fundamental economic
realities</b></font></p><p class="yiv1854209885MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><font face="Calibri">David
Green</font></p><p class="yiv1854209885MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><font face="Calibri">It is
conventional wisdom that good schools are essential to a
healthy economy. It is true that schools are responsible for
the basic literacy, skills, and educability of those
entering the workforce. It does not follow, however, that
schools are to blame for the dismal economic outlook for
many Americans.</font></p><p class="yiv1854209885MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><font face="Calibri">Misguided
perspectives on the relationship between economy and
education lead critics to focus on daily activities and
outcomes of teachers, parents, and students. These critics
avoid the fundamental nature of growing economic inequality
and its evolution over the past three decades. Their
criticism is not only profoundly misguided, but part of the
problem. They are in denial regarding the class-stratified
nature of an American economy that has victimized working
people and their children in a systematic and structural
manner.</font></p><p class="yiv1854209885MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><font face="Calibri">The facts
are clear, and their implications easily discerned. These
facts address the long-term relationship between worker
productivity and wages; the transition from a manufacturing
to a service economy; and the sources of recessions and high
rates of unemployment. Given the basic existence of
universal and functional public schooling, none of these
trends has been determined by the relative merits of
schools, teachers, students, or parents, whatever their
specific achievements. These trends have been completely
determined by the corporate, financial, political, and
ideological powers that be.</font></p><p class="yiv1854209885MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><font face="Calibri">The Pew
Charitable Trusts’<span> <span class="yiv1854209885Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>“Economic
Mobility Project,” available online, clarifies the evolving
relationship between productivity and wages. Since 1945, the
American worker has increased productivity by at least 2%
per year, consistently throughout. This means that
efficiency—output per person-hour in the production and
provision of goods and services—has doubled twice during
this 65-year period, both before and after the advent of
computers and a high-tech-based economy.</font></p><p class="yiv1854209885MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><font face="Calibri">This
historical and structural increase in productivity—and hence
both national and per capita wealth—has depended on
innovation, skill, and effort by scientists, technicians,
managers, business owners, and workers. About no sector of
the workforce can it be said that its employees, from “top”
to “bottom,” have not significantly contributed to these
increases by the quality of their minds or the sweat of
their brows. Similarly, it is inconceivable that the quality
of our schools has been an impediment rather than an asset
to these increases, ongoing, which are typical for all
countries in the industrialized world.</font></p><p class="yiv1854209885MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><font face="Calibri">From 1945 to
the mid-1970s, the median (adjusted for inflation) wage for
the American worker increased commensurate with
productivity—that is, doubling during that period. Between
1974 and 2004, while productivity increased by 80%, the
median wage increased by 20%. From 2000 to 2005,
productivity increased by 15%, while the median wage fell
2%; obviously that trend continues to this day, and
worsens.</font></p><p class="yiv1854209885MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><font face="Calibri">All of these
facts clearly indicate that while the country gets richer,
the median, “middle class” worker becomes stagnant or gets
poorer; all of the increases in wealth that are generated by
the labor of all workers accrue to the benefit of the upper
quintile of the population; the largest share going to the
upper 1%. Again, none of this, in any critic’s wildest
imagination, can be attributed to the failures of schools to
educate our children, whatever the debatable extent of such
alleged failures.</font></p><p class="yiv1854209885MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><font face="Calibri">This
well-documented appropriation of wealth has nothing
fundamentally to do with computer technology per se, but
with policies promoted by elites during the transition from
a manufacturing to a service economy. These policies
determined that private-sector unions would be effectively
destroyed, and that non-“professional” workers (that is,
those not protected by their credentials from foreign
competition) would be placed into competition with low-wage
foreign (and immigrant) workers. These efforts, most
identified with the Reagan era but supported by all
administrations since Carter, were well under way before the
digital transformation, although they have subsequently been
abetted by this phenomenon.</font></p><p class="yiv1854209885MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><font face="Calibri">While
American workers have adapted to technological change, their
organizational and political capacities to materially
benefit from their labor have not adapted to the onslaught
of neoliberal, “free market” (referred to locally as
“capitalism and limited government”) ideology and practice
among those who rule our country for their own
benefit—especially those in financial, speculative sectors.
This leaves workers vulnerable not only to the chronic
appropriation of their wealth, but to the acute misery
caused by speculative bubbles generated by financiers that
result in the massive disappearance of housing wealth,
increased unemployment, Wall Street bailouts and profits,
huge federal deficits, and cynical attacks on the social
safety net.</font></p><p class="yiv1854209885MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><font face="Calibri">In this
light, it is perverse for public school critics to focus on
the “accountability” of teachers and the “personal
responsibility” of students. Many parents and children are
rightly aware of the dire nature of their economic
circumstances and future prospects—whatever their efforts
and skills—in an economy with high unemployment and the most
extreme inequality among the developed nations. In relation
to the poorest among us, such criticism borders on cruelty
on the part of the comfortable.</font></p>
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