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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I just tried Baidu (<A
href="http://www.baidu.com">www.baidu.com</A>) and the keyword "egypt" is
certainly not blocked</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>but gave 5.8 million hits as opposed to 80 million
for yahoo. I dont find that there is anything</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>of interest that is deliberately blocked, just
the difference in the search algorithm i think.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I notice that my Chinese colleagues use Baidu,
Google, and Yahoo to do searches.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Facebook is blocked but there are ways of getting
to it if one so desires.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Chinese citizens and foreigners use the same
internet services. Some large companies</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>buy large chunks of bandwidth and they dont
experience any blocking or filtering, but then</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>they often do blocking of their own to control
their workers.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Some of the ISP's provide somewhat better service
than others. There are</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>companies in Beijing that provide "mixed" service
which is sort of the overlay</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>of the services provided by the various ISP's and
they promise completely unblocked </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>access. We just use the standard local
service for our home. The office where i work</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>has somewhat better internet access. I also
have a CDMA "Wo!" card from China Unicom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>which allows mobile service. It is quite good
and very cheap. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I think we pay something like 15 dollars a year for
internet in Qixian</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>and about 30-40 dollars per year in
Beijing. The service in Qixian is not so </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>good sometimes but at night it is strong enough to
allow large downloads and </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>VOIP telephone.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>In general internet </FONT><FONT size=2
face=Arial>service is cheap in China and at last count I had the number of
internet users in </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>China approached or exceeded the total population
of the USA.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>There is free dialup service but I am not sure how
many use that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>There is free WiFi in most coffee shops and in
places like McDonalds and Mr.Lee noodle shops, etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>It's nearly impossible to find anyplace urban or
suburban without internet access these days.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>There are "Internet Bars" even in some</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>very small remote places, although those mostly are
frequented by interactive gamers.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 30, 2011 4:08 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Peace-discuss] Fw: [socialistdiscussion] China &
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<DIV><BR></DIV>It just ain't so. I just did an internet search.<BR>Among
other hits:<BR>
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<H3><A title="Egypt Moves To Shut Down Al Jazeera Amid Unrest"
href="http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oGdSfE4EVNFvsAZ7RXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB2djd2N3RpBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkA0FDQlkwMl8xNDI-/SIG=13o6ltgn2/EXP=1296453956/**http%3a//news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110130/wl_mideast_afp/egyptpoliticsunrestmediaaljazeera_20110130211241"><B>Egypt
</B>Moves To Shut Down Al Jazeera Amid Unrest</A></H3><CITE>AFP via Yahoo!
News - 53 minutes ago</CITE><A class=media
href="http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oGdSfE4EVNFvsAaLRXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB2djd2N3RpBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkA0FDQlkwMl8xNDI-/SIG=13o6ltgn2/EXP=1296453956/**http%3a//news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110130/wl_mideast_afp/egyptpoliticsunrestmediaaljazeera_20110130211241"><IMG
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<DIV><B>Egypt </B>moved on Sunday to shut down Al Jazeera's coverage of mass
protests against President Hosni Mubarak's regime, but the pan-Arab
broadcaster vowed that it would not be silenced. Outgoing information
minister Anas al-Fikki has "ordered the closure of all activities by Al
Jazeera in the Arab republic of <B>Egypt </B>and the annulment of its
licences," <B>Egypt</B>'s official MENA news agency reported. The press
cards ... <A class=full
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<H3><A title="Egypt Military Steps Up Presence In Chaotic Cairo"
href="http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oGdSfE4EVNFvsAarRXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB2djd2N3RpBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkA0FDQlkwMl8xNDI-/SIG=12ra1in4u/EXP=1296453956/**http%3a//news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110130/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_protest_213"><B>Egypt
</B>Military Steps Up Presence In Chaotic Cairo</A></H3><CITE>AP via Yahoo!
News - 2 hours ago</CITE><A class=media
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<DIV><B>Egypt</B>'s most prominent reform advocate called on Sunday for
President Hosni Mubarak to resign after the powerful military stepped up its
presence across the anarchic capital, closing roads with tanks and sending
F-16 fighter jets streaking over downtown. The army's show of force appeared
aimed at quelling looting, armed robbery and arson that broke out alongside
pro-democracy protests and have turned the ... <A class=full
href="http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oGdSfE4EVNFvsAbLRXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB2djd2N3RpBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkA0FDQlkwMl8xNDI-/SIG=12ra1in4u/EXP=1296453956/**http%3a//news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110130/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_protest_213">Full
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<H3><A title="Egypt's Al Jazeera Bans Shows Channel's Key Role"
href="http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oGdSfE4EVNFvsAbbRXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB2djd2N3RpBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkA0FDQlkwMl8xNDI-/SIG=12i8o6160/EXP=1296453956/**http%3a//news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110130/wl_nm/us_egypt_aljazeera_3"><B>Egypt</B>'s
Al Jazeera Bans Shows Channel's Key Role</A></H3><CITE>Reuters via Yahoo!
News - 5 hours ago</CITE><A class=media
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<DIV><B>Egypt</B>'s decision on Sunday to close the offices of Al Jazeera
illustrates the leading role the Arabic broadcaster has taken in reporting
unprecedented popular revolts against Arab rulers. <B>Egypt </B>has often
harassed the Qatar-based channel since it began in 1996, setting off a
revolution in Arab media in the face of state-controlled information, but it
had never before tried to shut down its operations ... <A class=full
href="http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oGdSfE4EVNFvsAb7RXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB2djd2N3RpBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkA0FDQlkwMl8xNDI-/SIG=12i8o6160/EXP=1296453956/**http%3a//news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110130/wl_nm/us_egypt_aljazeera_3">Full
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href="http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oGdSfE4EVNFvsAZ7RXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB2djd2N3RpBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkA0FDQlkwMl8xNDI-/SIG=13o6ltgn2/EXP=1296453956/**http%3a//news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110130/wl_mideast_afp/egyptpoliticsunrestmediaaljazeera_20110130211241"><B>Egypt
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<DIV><A title="Egypt Military Steps Up Presence In Chaotic Cairo"
href="http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oGdSfE4EVNFvsAarRXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB2djd2N3RpBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkA0FDQlkwMl8xNDI-/SIG=12ra1in4u/EXP=1296453956/**http%3a//news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110130/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_protest_213"><B>Egypt
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<DIV><A title="Egypt's Al Jazeera Bans Shows Channel's Key Role"
href="http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oGdSfE4EVNFvsAbbRXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB2djd2N3RpBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkA0FDQlkwMl8xNDI-/SIG=12i8o6160/EXP=1296453956/**http%3a//news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110130/wl_nm/us_egypt_aljazeera_3"><B>Egypt</B>'s
Al Jazeera Bans Shows Channel's Key Role</A> - <SPAN class=sub>Reuters via
Yahoo! News - <EM>5 hours ago</EM></SPAN></DIV></LI></UL><A class=wt-more
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<P>Evidently the Chinese regime has blocked internet searches which have
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