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It's remarkably tenuous to suggest (as the Obama administration
does) that the AUMF of 18 September 2001 authorizes the current war
in AfPak (illegal in any case under international law).<br>
<br>
It's rather like the Germans' declaring (as they did) on September
1, 1939, "We're finally shooting back!"<br>
<br>
<br>
On 3/25/11 3:58 PM, Robert Naiman wrote:
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type="cite">Yeah, this is one of the talking points of the no big
deal crowd: there's been no declaration of war since WW II.
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<div>But that is fundamentally misleading, because 1) the WPR
talks about declaration of war *or* authorization of force; both
Iraq wars were authorized, the war in Afghanistan was authorized
and 2) it was in significant measure because of the Korea and
Vietnam experience that Congress passed the War Powers
Resolution.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 3:32 PM,
Jenifer Cartwright <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com">jencart13@yahoo.com</a>></span>
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<td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">No argument
from <i>me</i> here, just quoting the pundits'
latest.
<div>And as for an actual Declaration of War,
somebody pointed out that that hasn't happened
since WW II... </div>
<div> --Jenifer
<div class="im"><br>
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--- On <b>Fri, 3/25/11, Robert Naiman <i><<a
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<div class="im">
<div>A lot of folks seem to be under the
mistaken impression - fostered in part by
the Administration - that the War Powers
Resolution - which despite the name
"resolution," is a law - only contains
reporting requirements.</div>
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<div>This is, of course, false...</div>
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<div class="im"><span
style="border-collapse: collapse;
font-family: arial,sans-serif;
font-size: 13px;">§ 1541. Purpose and
policy<br>
[...]<br>
(c) Presidential executive power as
Commander-in-Chief; limitation<br>
The constitutional powers of the
President as Commander-in-Chief to<br>
introduce United States Armed Forces
into hostilities, or into<br>
<div style="color: rgb(80, 0, 80);">
situations where imminent involvement
in hostilities is clearly<br>
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indicated by the circumstances, are
exercised only pursuant to<br>
<br>
(1) a declaration of war,<br>
<br>
(2) specific statutory authorization, or<br>
<br>
(3) a national emergency created by
attack upon the United States, its<br>
territories or possessions, or its armed
forces.<br>
[...]<br>
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There was no declaration of war. There
was no specific statutory<br>
authorization. There was no attack on
the United States or its armed<br>
forces. Therefore, the President
violated the War Powers Resolution.</span><br>
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<div class="im">On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at
3:03 PM, Jenifer Cartwright <span
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<div class="im">The current
language used [to justify not
consulting Congress] focuses
on short duration and skips
the eminent threat to the
homeland stuff. Let's see if
that's gonna play...</div>
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<div class="im">
--Jenifer <br>
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--- On <b>Tue, 3/22/11,
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wrote:<br>
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<div>Kucinich has
pledged to
introduce an
amendment to any
funding vehicle<br>
that would defund
military
operations in
Libya - i.e.,
pretty similar<br>
to what Tim
Johnson is
proposing. He is
circulating a
letter to that<br>
effect; the last
time I looked,
Paul, Jones, and
Stark had signed
it.<br>
<br>
On Tue, Mar 22,
2011 at 5:53 PM,
Karen Medina <<a
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wrote:<br>
> Good going,
Tim Johnson.<br>
> I am curious
to see what
Kucinich does.<br>
> -karen medina<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Mar
22, 2011 at 3:52
PM, Rohn Koester
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>> Johnson
opposes military
action in Libya<br>
>><br>
>> Tue,
03/22/2011 -
11:30am | Tom
Kacich<br>
>><br>
>> U.S. Rep.
Tim Johnson,
R-Urbana, who
already opposes
U.S. involvement
in<br>
>> wars in
Iraq and
Afghanistan, today
said he would
introduce
legislation to<br>
>> de-fund
military action in
Libya.<br>
>><br>
>> The
six-term
Republican said he
would work with
Rep. Justin Amash,
R-Mich.,<br>
>> a
freshman
congressman, to
draft legislation
declaring the
action<br>
>>
unconstitutional.<br>
>><br>
>>
“Constitutionally,
it is indisputable
that Congress must
be consulted prior<br>
>> to an act
of war unless
there is an
imminent threat
against this
country.<br>
>> The
president has not
done so,” Johnson
said. “In fact,
this is the same
man<br>
>> who
questioned
President Bush’s
constitutional
authority to
commit troops to<br>
>> war.”<br>
>><br>
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