<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Great needling, but not even wrong. &nbsp;Coming from someone who believes in the supernatural, it says a lot. --mkb<div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 27, 2011, at 12:28 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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    I'm (not really) surprised to hear Mort testify to his religious
    faith in the tenets of AGW: but I thought it was a question (like
    most real religious questions) involving evidence and arguments - of
    the sort Alex Cockburn had raised.&nbsp; (It's true that George Monbiot
    too - supposedly engaged in the same question -&nbsp; has called for the
    casting out of unbelievers.) And in fact the evidence is quite
    interesting - such as that in a piece I posted the other day, for
    the possibility of prehistoric (= before 5000 years ago) AGW.<br>
    <br>
    The subject of my post was different: it was the (likely)
    possibility that the news of the Japanese nuclear disaster was being
    manipullated by the corporate media becasue of the vast amonunt of
    corporate money to be made in the promotion of nuclear energy. "A
    week ago, Fukushima abruptly dropped out of&nbsp; the news headlines" -
    just as we were beginning to hear of "TEPCO’s crimes and cover-ups
    [and how] 'corporations had deliberately ignored the lessons of
    Chernobyl' in the pursuit of profit" ... "leading news media might
    have been in receipt of informal government advisories to stop
    creating panic..."<br>
    <br>
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    On 3/27/11 11:31 AM, Morton K. Brussel wrote:
    <blockquote cite="mid:0C268152-0C83-4FB8-AEB9-7EABA27E36C1@illinois.edu" type="cite">Correction: &nbsp;The radiation was down not by about a
      million, but by over a thousand… Still, the point is the same.
      <div>--mkb</div>
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          <div>On Mar 27, 2011, at 12:23 AM, Morton K. Brussel wrote:</div>
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              <div>&nbsp;the radiation level of 400 mSv/hour was recorded one
                day early on [See <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_I_nuclear_accidents]">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_I_nuclear_accidents]</a>
                &nbsp;and close to the reactor, and in subsequent days the
                level had decreased by a factor of about a million.&nbsp;
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                      <div>On Mar 25, 2011, at 5:03 PM, C. G. Estabrook
                        wrote:</div>
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                        <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> <u>Fukushima:&nbsp;
                            It’s&nbsp; Getting Worse</u><br>
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                          A week ago, Fukushima abruptly dropped out of&nbsp;
                          the news headlines. The NATO onslaught on
                          Qaddafi took over. This came after an initial
                          week – following the earthquake and tsunami on
                          March 11, of steadily escalating alarums about
                          what the EU energy commissioner tactlessly
                          called “apocalypse.”&nbsp; Suddenly the down-column
                          stories about the situation at the Fukushima
                          nuclear plant took on a tone of cautious
                          reassurance: there were “improvements” in
                          effort to keep units 5 and 6 at the Daiichi
                          plant cool;&nbsp; “progress” in efforts to
                          reconnect the stricken plant to the electrical
                          power grid were proceeding;&nbsp; hydrogen
                          explosions should be no cause for alarm; why,
                          TEPCO workers could even switch on lights in a
                          control room in Unit 1. Reports stressed the
                          restraint and dignity of beleaguered Japanese
                          citizens, thus implying that spreading
                          alarmist reports was pretty much the
                          equivalent of robbing refugees. Speaking
                          personally, news of lynch parties of outraged
                          Japanese prodding TEPCO executives into
                          clean-up duty in the plant&nbsp; alongside George
                          Monbiot and the 50 Japanese worker-martyrs
                          would have been most welcome.<br>
                          <br>
                          TEPCO’s crimes and cover-ups go back to the
                          dawn of Japan’s nuclear power industry. A
                          Russian, Iouli Andreev&nbsp; who once ran the
                          Soviet Spetsatom agency involved in the
                          Chernobyl clean-up told Reuters that&nbsp;
                          “corporations had deliberately ignored the
                          lessons of Chernobyl” in the pursuit of profit
                          and had been abetted by the negligence of of
                          the IAEA and that “in order to cut costs,
                          spent fuel rods at Fukushima had been too
                          closely stacked in pools near the nuclear
                          reactors. One of those pools caught fire,
                          dispersing radioactivity into the atmosphere.
                          The Japanese were very greedy and they used
                          every square inch of the space. But when you
                          have a dense placing of spent fuel in the
                          basin, you have a high possibility of fire if
                          the water is removed from the basin.”<br>
                          <br>
                          Amid reasonable suspicions that&nbsp; leading news
                          media might have been in receipt of informal
                          government advisories to stop creating panic,
                          it became much harder to find credible
                          bulletins on what was actually happening. In
                          fact careful perusal of the daily briefings at
                          the&nbsp; Vienna hq of the UN’s International
                          Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna disclosed
                          absolutely no substantive progress and indeed
                          discreet admissions that “[this was on March
                          23)&nbsp; the “Agency still lacks data on water
                          levels and temperatures in the spent fuel
                          pools at Units 1, 2, 3 and 4.”<br>
                          <br>
                          The IAEA emphasized each day that the
                          situation at Fukushima’s Daiichi plant
                          remained “extremely serious.” Bulletins from
                          other bodies such as France’s Autorité de
                          sûreté nucléaire retained a similarly grave
                          tone.<br>
                          <br>
                          Meanwhile bulletins about&nbsp; hazardous fallout
                          and poisoning of air, earth and sea were
                          similarly cast in a reassuring frame, even as
                          the Japanese government issued warnings about
                          eating spinach and other greens from Japan’s
                          north east, and by the end of the week putting
                          out an advisory for parents not to let small
                          children drink tap water in Tokyo. On our own
                          website, by contrast, several articles and
                          interviews stressed what Hirose Takashi said:<br>
                          <br>
                          “All of the information media are at fault
                          here I think.&nbsp; They are saying stupid things
                          like, why, we are exposed to radiation all the
                          time in our daily life, we get radiation from
                          outer space.&nbsp; But that’s one millisievert per
                          year.&nbsp; A year has 365 days, a day has 24
                          hours; multiply 365 by 24, you get 8760.&nbsp;
                          Multiply the 400 millisieverts by that, you
                          get 3,500,000 the normal dose.&nbsp; You call that
                          safe?&nbsp; And what media have reported this?&nbsp;
                          None.&nbsp; They compare it to a CT scan, which is
                          over in an instant; that has nothing to do
                          with it.&nbsp; The reason radioactivity can be
                          measured is that radioactive material is
                          escaping.&nbsp; What is dangerous is when that
                          material enters your body and irradiates it
                          from inside.&nbsp; These industry-mouthpiece
                          scholars come on TV and what to they say?&nbsp;
                          They say as you move away the radiation is
                          reduced in inverse ratio to the square of the
                          distance.&nbsp; I want to say the reverse.&nbsp;
                          Internal irradiation happens when radioactive
                          material is ingested into the body.&nbsp; What
                          happens?&nbsp; Say there is a nuclear particle one
                          meter away from you. You breathe it in, it
                          sticks inside your body; the distance between
                          you and it is now at the micron level. One
                          meter is 1000 millimeters, one micron is one
                          thousandth of a millimeter.&nbsp; That’s a thousand
                          times a thousand: a thousand squared.&nbsp; That’s
                          the real meaning of “inverse ratio of the
                          square of the distance.”&nbsp; Radiation exposure
                          is increased by a factor of a trillion.&nbsp;
                          Inhaling even the tiniest particle, that’s the
                          danger.”<br>
                          <br>
                          Both Arjun Makhijani and Robert Alvarez
                          stressed that a Worst Case explosion at
                          Fukushima Daiichi could be worse than
                          Chernobyl. As Makhijani, president of the
                          Institute for Energy and Environmental
                          Research in Maryland, wrote:<br>
                          <br>
                          “The mechanisms of the accident would be very
                          different than Chernobyl, 4 where there was
                          also a fire, and the mix of radionuclides
                          would be very different. While the quantity of
                          short-lived radionuclides, notably iodine-131,
                          would be much smaller, the consequences for
                          the long term could be more dire due to
                          long-lived radionuclides such as cesium- 137,
                          strontium-90, iodine-129, and plutonium-239.
                          These radionuclides are generally present in
                          much larger quantities in spent fuel pools
                          than in the reactor itself. In light of that,
                          it is remarkable how little has been said by
                          the Japanese authorities about this problem.”<br>
                          <br>
                          Now, by March 25 TEPCO and the Japanese
                          government can’t keep the lid on any longer.
                          They are admitting that the containment vessel
                          in unit 3 is ruptured. Radiated water sloshing
                          into workers’ boots is 10,000 times above
                          safety levels. Hidehiko Nishiyama, deputy
                          director-general of the Japan Nuclear and
                          Industrial Safety Agency, announced that
                          radiation from the mox fuel in reactor 3&nbsp; — a
                          combination of uranium and plutonium — could
                          be escaping into the&nbsp; atmosphere.<br>
                          <br>
                          In other words, Japan and the rest of the
                          world indeed face “the worst case”, as we have
                          since March 11. There’s been no let up.<br>
                          <br>
                          What the nuclear industry and the nuclear
                          agencies have been aiming for is a kind of
                          Mithridatization of the crisis. Mithridates
                          was the king who took poison every day to
                          immunize himself against poisoners.&nbsp; Crisis
                          becomes normalcy. Sure, radiation levels are
                          way above the redline; the dirt around
                          Fukushima and huge slabs of north east Japan
                          is poisoned; the ground around Fukushima is
                          radiated sludge; the seas show significant
                          contamination, not least because&nbsp; the seawater
                          being sprayed on the units itself become
                          poisoned and sinks into the dirt and back into
                          the ocean after its detour to pick up
                          toxicity.<br>
                          <br>
                          Sure, this is all true, but “there’s no cause
                          for alarm.” Never believe anything till it’s
                          officially denied! The industry’s flacks lie
                          steadily, as they have always done, about
                          impacts on humans and the environment.<br>
                          <br>
                          The fiercest defenders of nuclear power these
                          days are greens like George Monbiot who wrote
                          yet another insane hosanna to nuclear power in
                          The Guardian (“Why Fukushima Made Me Stop
                          Worrying and Love Nuclear Power … Atomic
                          energy has just been subjected to one of the
                          harshest possible tests, and the impact on
                          people and the planet has been small. The
                          crisis at Fukushima has converted me to
                          nuclear power.” It was written on the 21st of
                          March.) Greens like Monbiot, fixated on their
                          increasingly discredited anthropogenic –
                          humanly caused --&nbsp; global warming (AGW)
                          models, clamber even further out in their
                          assertions that the nuclear industry’s
                          official spokesmen. <br>
                          <br>
                          On the recruitment of Greens to the cause of
                          the nuclear industry, Martin Kokus sent us the
                          following very interesting letter:<br>
                          <br>
                          “Instead of saying that global warming rescued
                          the nuclear lobby, I would say the nuclear
                          complex invented global warming.&nbsp; I was
                          working on man-made climate change during the
                          70's and I think that even the biggest
                          conspiracy theorist is underestimating the
                          role that the nuclear complex played in
                          shaping the debate on AGW.&nbsp; When I say nuclear
                          complex, I am not just referring to the power
                          lobby, but also the weapons manufacturers, the
                          military, the nuclear labs, the academics who
                          are funded by nuclear labs, and those who
                          think that there is some huge geopolitical
                          advantage for the west to go nuclear.<br>
                          <br>
                          “The nukes were pushing AGW from my earliest
                          political memory.&nbsp; In 1973-74, the Hoover
                          Institute funded a tour by Edward Teller where
                          he described co2 as the real environmental
                          problem and nuclear power was its only
                          solution.&nbsp; (I am sure that you are aware that
                          the Hoover Institute is now espousing AGW as a
                          liberal conspiracy.)&nbsp; During the same time
                          period Bernard Cohen, head of U of Pitt's Nuke
                          Labs, self-appointed expert on safety, and
                          proponent of nuclear power was funded by
                          Americans for Energy Independence (AEI) to do
                          the same thing.&nbsp; One of the organizers of AEI
                          was longtime Cohen associate Zalman Shapiro
                          who was the subject of a series of
                          Counterpunch essays by Grant Smith in regards
                          to the Israeli nuke program.&nbsp; These speakers
                          were not sponsored by climatology departments
                          but by nuclear engineering departments.<br>
                          <br>
                          “I was in the first US seminar on man-made
                          climate change at UVA.&nbsp; We were worried about
                          particulates, land use, deforestation, and
                          most of all the introduction of agribusiness
                          into the third world.&nbsp; My profs dismissed AGW
                          in about 15 minutes.&nbsp; But even then, one of
                          our contract monitors from Oak Ridge AEC was
                          pushing me to get interested in the greenhouse
                          effect.&nbsp; I also remember Outside magazine
                          (which I always considered right wing and
                          phony environmentalist) doing a series that
                          considered AGW to be the most serious
                          environmental threat.&nbsp; I always found this
                          interesting because there were absolutely no
                          data behind it.<br>
                          <br>
                          “The real money came into AGW after Thatcher
                          got elected.&nbsp; I am sure that you are familiar
                          with the Centre for Policy Studies, a
                          conservative British think tank, decision to
                          hype AGW.&nbsp; Well, the Reagan administration
                          more than matched that money.&nbsp; We funded half
                          the Hadley Centre and the University of East
                          Anglia’s climate group.&nbsp; The UEA was the scene
                          of the recent Climategate scandal. The Hadley
                          Centre and the UEA were the incubators for the
                          IPCC.&nbsp; The money was monitored by what used to
                          be the AEC lab at Oakridge which is now under
                          DOE.&nbsp; The older climatologists were ignored in
                          this funding buildup.&nbsp; In fact, existing
                          funding for non co2 climate change research
                          disappeared.”<br>
                          <br>
                          One more email from CounterPuncher James
                          Cronin:<br>
                          <br>
                          “One important aspect of the current nuclear
                          catastrophe is not being discussed in
                          progressive media: the fact that
                          radiation-induced cancers do not simply arise
                          immediately following exposure.&nbsp; It's not as
                          though it will be like the Black Plague, where
                          one would see one's neighbors being hauled out
                          of their houses, dead. This damage to human
                          life, these murders, will only be visible&nbsp; --
                          if they are allowed to be visible -- in
                          statistical data collected long years after
                          the exposure event.<br>
                          <br>
                          “In other words, there will be no evident
                          epidemic that would stimulate citizen action.&nbsp;
                          So we may well be exposed to enough radiation,
                          such as with Iodine-131, to give us thyroid
                          cancer, but the distribution of these cancers
                          will be over the entire population in the
                          exposed areas, manifesting only as a statistic
                          years after the fact.&nbsp; Even if we know someone
                          who develops thyroid cancer, we will be unable
                          to identify the Japan catastrophe (at least at
                          this point) as the cause. Thus the nuclear
                          industry has a clear escape path at this
                          point.<br>
                          <br>
                          “I think we can be assured that the research
                          exists. If we know the exposures or potential
                          exposures, the number of cancers (and deaths)
                          that will result can be estimated.&nbsp; I think
                          this&nbsp; estimate should be found or done ASAP.&nbsp;
                          A table could be generated, if it does not
                          already exist in the scientific literature
                          somewhere.<br>
                          <br>
                          “I have long distrusted many so-called
                          progressive websites for their obvious
                          promotion of Obama, and how they report this
                          catastrophe should be looked at, as you have
                          with Monbiot.”<br>
                          <br>
                          “Keep up the good work, Counterpunchers.”<br>
                          <br>
                          As I wrote last week, the New York Academy of
                          Sciences report on Chernobyl, published in
                          2009 has a wealth of data on lethal health
                          consequences surfacing years after the
                          disaster. The report by Yablokov and the
                          Nesterenkos, had as its consulting editor
                          Janette Sherman-Nevinger whose commentary, on
                          this site last week, is well worth reading.<br>
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