<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">I wasn't saying that [no declaration of war since WW II] as a justification for Libya, not at all... I just meant that the US of A seems to have been fighting uh, engaged in uh, using <i>force</i> (yes, w/ Congressional approval) for more years than not ever since WW II. Military mentality, military mindset. Hard to turn that around.<div> --Jenifer <br><br>--- On <b>Fri, 3/25/11, Robert Naiman <i><naiman@justforeignpolicy.org></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Robert Naiman <naiman@justforeignpolicy.org><br>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Johnson opposes military action in Libya<br>To: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13@yahoo.com><br>Cc: peace-discuss@anti-war.net<br>Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 3:58 PM<br><br><div id="yiv157462090">Yeah, this is
one of the talking points of the no big deal crowd: there's been no declaration of war since WW II.<div><br></div><div>But that is fundamentally misleading, because 1) the WPR talks about declaration of war *or* authorization of force; both Iraq wars were authorized, the war in Afghanistan was authorized and 2) it was in significant measure because of the Korea and Vietnam experience that Congress passed the War Powers Resolution.<br>
<br><div class="yiv157462090gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Jenifer Cartwright <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=jencart13@yahoo.com">jencart13@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="yiv157462090gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit;">No argument from <i>me</i> here, just quoting the pundits' latest.<div>And as for an actual Declaration of War, somebody pointed out that that hasn't happened since WW II... </div>
<div> --Jenifer<div class="yiv157462090im"><br><br>--- On <b>Fri, 3/25/11, Robert Naiman <i><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=naiman@justforeignpolicy.org">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;">
<div><div class="yiv157462090im"><div>A lot of folks seem to be under the mistaken impression - fostered in part by the Administration - that the War Powers Resolution - which despite the name "resolution," is a law - only contains reporting requirements.</div>
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<br></div><div>This is, of course, false...</div><div><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv157462090im"><span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">§ 1541. Purpose and policy<br>[...]<br>
(c) Presidential executive power as Commander-in-Chief; limitation<br>The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to<br>introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into<br><div style="color:rgb(80, 0, 80);">
situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly<br></div>indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to<br><br>(1) a declaration of war,<br><br>(2) specific statutory authorization, or<br>
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(3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its<br>territories or possessions, or its armed forces.<br>[...]<br><br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/usc_sec_50_00001541----000-.html" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 204);">http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/usc_sec_50_00001541----000-.html</a><br>
<br>There was no declaration of war. There was no specific statutory<br>authorization. There was no attack on the United States or its armed<br>forces. Therefore, the President violated the War Powers Resolution.</span><br>
<br></div><div><div class="yiv157462090im">On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Jenifer Cartwright <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=jencart13@yahoo.com">jencart13@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit;"><div class="yiv157462090im">The current language used [to justify not consulting Congress] focuses on short duration and skips the eminent threat to the homeland stuff. Let's see if that's gonna play...</div>
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--Jenifer <br><br>--- On <b>Tue, 3/22/11, Robert Naiman <i><<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=naiman@justforeignpolicy.org">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></div><div>
<div></div><div class="yiv157462090h5"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;"><div><div><div>Kucinich has pledged to introduce an amendment to any funding vehicle<br>
that would defund military operations in Libya - i.e., pretty similar<br>to what Tim Johnson is proposing.
He is circulating a letter to that<br>effect; the last time I looked, Paul, Jones, and Stark had signed it.<br><br>On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Karen Medina <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=kmedina67@gmail.com">kmedina67@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Good going, Tim Johnson.<br>> I am curious to see what Kucinich does.<br>> -karen medina<br>><br>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Rohn Koester <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=rohnkoester@hotmail.com">rohnkoester@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Johnson opposes military action in Libya<br>>><br>>> Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:30am | Tom Kacich<br>>><br>>> U.S. Rep. Tim Johnson, R-Urbana, who already opposes U.S. involvement in<br>>> wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, today said he would introduce legislation to<br>
>> de-fund military action in Libya.<br>>><br>>> The six-term
Republican said he would work with Rep. Justin Amash, R-Mich.,<br>>> a freshman congressman, to draft legislation declaring the action<br>>> unconstitutional.<br>>><br>>> “Constitutionally, it is indisputable that Congress must be consulted prior<br>
>> to an act of war unless there is an imminent threat against this country.<br>>> The president has not done so,” Johnson said. “In fact, this is the same man<br>>> who questioned President Bush’s constitutional authority to commit troops to<br>
>> war.”<br>>><br>>> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.news-gazette.com/news/politics-and-government/2011-03-22/johnson-opposes-military-action-libya.html">http://www.news-gazette.com/news/politics-and-government/2011-03-22/johnson-opposes-military-action-libya.html</a><br>
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