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In a political group almost 40 years ago (indulge me: I just had a
birthday...) , someone was arguing that we should be "agitating for
full employment!"<br>
<br>
To which a black comrade replied, "Really? We had full employment
under slavery..."<br>
<br>
<br>
On 4/10/11 2:39 PM, E. Wayne Johnson wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">Evidently, Slavery is equivalent (in moral
and
economic terms) working for a wage.</blockquote>
It can be...<br>
<br>
Some people say a man is made out of mud<br>
A poor man's made out of muscle and blood<br>
Muscle and blood, skin and bones...<br>
A mind that's weak and a back that's strong<br>
<br>
I was born one mornin' and the sun didn't shine <br>
I picked up my shovel and I walked to the mine<br>
I loaded sixteen tons of number nine coal and <br>
the straw boss said, "well bless my soul!" <br>
<br>
You loaded sixteen tons, and what do you get?<br>
another day older and deeper in debt<br>
St. Peter, don't you call me, 'cause I can't go<br>
I owe my soul to the company store<br>
<br>
(merle travis 1947)<br>
<br>
[The FBI cautioned some radio stations not to play Travis's song
on the
radio in the late 40's]<br>
<br>
*<br>
There's a reason for this, there's a reason education sucks, and
it's
the same reason it will never ever ever be fixed. It's never going
to
get any better. Don't look for it. Be happy with what you've
got...
because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking
about
the real owners now... the real owners. The big wealthy business
interests that control things and make all the important
decisions.
Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you
the
idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. <br>
<br>
You have no choice. <br>
You have owners. <br>
They own you. <br>
They own everything. <br>
They own all the important land. <br>
They own and control the corporations. <br>
<br>
They've long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress,
the
state houses, the city halls. They got the judges in their back
pockets
and they own all the big media companies, so they control just
about
all of the news and information you get to hear. <br>
<br>
They got you by the balls.<br>
<br>
They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying. Lobbying to
get
what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for
themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what
they
don't want. They don't want a population of citizens capable of
critical thinking. They don't want well-informed, well-educated
people
capable of critical thinking. They're not interested in that. That
doesn't help them. That's against their interests. That's right.
They
don't want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen
table
and think about how badly they're getting fucked by a system that
threw
them overboard 30 fuckin' years ago. They don't want that. <br>
<br>
You know what they want? <br>
<br>
They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just
smart
enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb
enough
to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the
lower
pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime
and
vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it.
And
now they're coming for your Social Security money. <br>
<br>
They want your fuckin' retirement money. They want it back... so
they
can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know
something? They'll get it. They'll get it all from you sooner or
later
'cause they own this fuckin' place. <br>
<br>
It's a big club and you ain't in it. <br>
You and I are not in the big club. <br>
By the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the
head
with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long
beating you over the head with their media telling you what to
believe,
what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted, folks. The
game is
rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. <br>
<br>
Good, honest, hard-working people: white collar, blue collar, it
doesn't matter what color shirt you have on. Good, honest,
hard-working
people continue - these are people of modest means - continue to
elect
these rich cocksuckers who don't give a fuck about them. They
don't
give a fuck about you. They don't give a fuck about you. They
don't
care about you at all! At all! At all! And nobody seems to notice.
Nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on. The fact
that
Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red,
white
and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes every day,
because
the owners of this country know the truth. <br>
<br>
It's called the American Dream, 'cause you have to be asleep to
believe
it. <br>
<br>
(G. Carlin)<br>
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On 4/11/2011 1:24 AM, Morton K. Brussel wrote:
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cite="mid:F1287683-BD5B-4DA9-99EC-222FAEF1503D@illinois.edu"
type="cite">Evidently, Slavery is equivalent (in moral and
economic
terms) working for a wage. An amazing revisionist view of the
Civil
War.
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<div>--mkb</div>
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<div>On Apr 10, 2011, at 9:18 AM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:</div>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Societies are
defined by how
the ruling class gets enough to eat. The American civil
war was a
conflict between two ways of doing that.<br>
<br>
Two dominant political groups, one primarily resident
North of the
Mason-Dixon Line and the other south of it, competed
because they
profited from two different and incompatible ways of
exploiting labor -
by renting it or owning it (i.e., by chattel-slavery or
wage-contract). Extracting surplus value from the
direct producer
could be done ether way, but probably not by a mixture
of both. <br>
<br>
That's what Lincoln meant when he said in 1858, "I
believe this
government cannot endure, permanently half slave and
half free ... it
will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing
or all the other
... Either the opponents of slavery, will arrest the
further spread of
it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the
belief that it
is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its
advocates will push it
forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the
States, old as
well as new — North as well as South." <br>
<br>
("Free" labor has a technical meaning - it refers to the
labor of those
who have no right to live without working for their
masters, i.e.,
those to whom the society had no responsibility.)<br>
<br>
The Southern ruling class understood that the new
Republican party,
with its central plank of "no extension of slavery" was
the vehicle of
the northern ruling class and wage-slavery, as opposed
to their form of
slavery. When its candidate was elected president, the
the rulers of
the Southern states knew an attack was imminent and
declared their
independence - as these governments had done three
generations earlier,
in 1776.<br>
<br>
Gen. Winfield Scott, the leading US military figure -
his generation's
George Washington - wrote on the day before Lincoln's
inauguration
(March 3, 1861) and suggested the new president could
conquer the
Southern states at the end of a long, expensive, and
desolating war,
and to no good purpose; or he could say to the seceded
States, "Wayward
sisters, depart in peace!" <br>
<br>
Lincoln chose the former, and Scott was retired. <br>
<br>
That Lincoln understood what was at stake in his
state-building is
clear from his first State of the Union address: <a
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On 4/10/11 6:02 AM, E. Wayne Johnson wrote:
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type="cite"> The
best explanation of the "War of Northern Aggression"
that I ever heard
came from Fred Madsen,<br>
who took a bullet in South Vietnam during
reconnaissance in the early
60's.<br>
<br>
Fred said that the war was fought over who would
control the Land
occupied by the southern states.<br>
<br>
I find Fred's explanation to be unassailable.<br>
<br>
<br>
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On 4/10/2011 10:49 AM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
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ran into this today
on Google or Yahoo
news and made it into
a word
doc b/c I tho't it was
interesting and
enlightening enuff on
its own,
plus it had parallels
with today's issues, i
e poor white farmers
[who
were not slave-owners]
supporting the
Confederacy because
that was the
class they aspired to
and identified with...
(Sociologist James
Loewen
wrote <i>Lies My
Teacher Told Me</i> and <i>Sundown
Towns</i>).</font>
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