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    "New Front Tears"  is good...<br>
    <br>
    Odiousity of Hope?  <br>
    <br>
    The graphic is graphic.<br>
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    On 6/21/11 8:36 PM, "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森" wrote:
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      discovering <br>
      new frontiers<br>
      new dragons to slay<br>
      new countries to bomb <br>
      new deserts for democracy<br>
      new martyrs to assassinate<br>
      new governments to Overthrow <br>
      new dissidents to jail and torture <br>
      new babies to mangle and incinerate<br>
      new boys to bring back dead, maimed, worse <br>
      crisp new simoleons lettuce fund the war machine<br>
      <br>
      hey hey Obamay how many frontiers did you rape today<br>
      <br>
      why then the world's mine Oyster<br>
      which I with sword will Open<br>
      <br>
      not another f'n penny <br>
      for new front tears <br>
      mr Odiacity<br>
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      On 06/21/11 22:06, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
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              <td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">No insult
                intended, Paul, honest. You expressed yr
                tho'ts, I expressed mine. And it seems we both stand by
                our original
                statements. <br>
                <br>
                --- On <b>Mon, 6/20/11, pnolan64 <i><a
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                wrote:<br>
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                  From: pnolan64 <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Are you
                  interested in working on
                  AWARE's 4th of July float? We need all the helpers we
                  can get.<br>
                  To: "Jenifer Cartwright" <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                    href="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com"><jencart13@yahoo.com></a>,
                  "Stuart Levy"
                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                    href="mailto:slevy@ncsa.illinois.edu"><slevy@ncsa.illinois.edu></a><br>
                  Cc: "Stuart Levy" <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                    href="mailto:slevy@ncsa.uiuc.edu"><slevy@ncsa.uiuc.edu></a>,
                  "Ron Szoke"
                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                    href="mailto:r-szoke@illinois.edu"><r-szoke@illinois.edu></a>,
                  "Ed Mandel"
                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                    href="mailto:crazyhawk22@hotmail.com"><crazyhawk22@hotmail.com></a>,
                  "Karen Medina"
                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                    href="mailto:kmedina@illinois.edu"><kmedina@illinois.edu></a>,
                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                    href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>,
                  "Don
                  McClure" <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                    href="mailto:dmccjr@att.net"><dmccjr@att.net></a><br>
                  Date: Monday, June 20, 2011, 6:45 PM<br>
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                      york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">Jenifer,<br>
                      <br>
                      I didn't say "peace signs".  What I said was signs
                      with "messages",
                      while leaving the nature of the message up to the
                      individual.<br>
                      <br>
                      Before you insult and mock someone's idea, perhaps
                      you should read it
                      first.<br>
                      <br>
                      Paul<br>
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                      <div>"To thine own self be true."</div>
                      <div>William Shakespeare</div>
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                            <hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:
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                            Jenifer Cartwright <a
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                            <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
                            pnolan64
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                              href="mailto:pnolan64@yahoo.com"><pnolan64@yahoo.com></a>;
                            Stuart Levy <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                              href="mailto:slevy@ncsa.illinois.edu"><slevy@ncsa.illinois.edu></a><br>
                            <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b>
                            Paul Nolan
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                              href="mailto:pnolan64@yahoo.com"><pnolan64@yahoo.com></a>;
                            Stuart Levy <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                              href="mailto:slevy@ncsa.uiuc.edu"><slevy@ncsa.uiuc.edu></a>;
                            Ron Szoke <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                              href="mailto:r-szoke@illinois.edu"><r-szoke@illinois.edu></a>;
                            Ed Mandel
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                              href="mailto:crazyhawk22@hotmail.com"><crazyhawk22@hotmail.com></a>;
                            Karen Medina
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                              href="mailto:kmedina@illinois.edu"><kmedina@illinois.edu></a>;
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                              href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>;
                            Don
                            McClure <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                            <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                            Mon,
                            June 20, 2011 6:01:52 PM<br>
                            <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
                            Re:
                            [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Are you interested
                            in working on AWARE's 4th of
                            July float? We need all the helpers we can
                            get.<br>
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                                <td style="font: inherit;" valign="top"><font
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                                    face="arial">Not
                                    much punch,and no relationship to
                                    the theme just carrying Peace
                                    signs. </font>
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                                      face="arial">E-z enuff to provide
                                      both punch and theme w/ a little
                                      imagination and not much more
                                      work.</font></div>
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                                  <div><font
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                                      face="arial">Repeating my original
                                      suggestion: "Discovering New
                                      Frontiers" could mean
                                      e-communication's impact on Peace
                                      and Justice --
                                      facebook's toppling Mubarak;
                                      whistleblowers (Manning; Drake)
                                      and
                                      journalists (WikiLeaks). </font></div>
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                                      <div><font
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                                          face="arial">If anybody wants
                                          to head this/anything up, go
                                          for it!<br>
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                                        --- On <b>Mon, 6/20/11, Stuart
                                          Levy <i><a
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                                        wrote:<br>
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                                          From: Stuart Levy <a
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href="mailto:slevy@ncsa.illinois.edu"><slevy@ncsa.illinois.edu></a><br>
                                          Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss]
                                          [Peace] Are you interested in
                                          working on
                                          AWARE's 4th of July float? We
                                          need all the helpers we can
                                          get.<br>
                                          To: "pnolan64" <a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
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href="mailto:pnolan64@yahoo.com"><pnolan64@yahoo.com></a><br>
                                          Cc: "Paul Nolan" <a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:pnolan64@yahoo.com"><pnolan64@yahoo.com></a>, "Stuart
                                          Levy"
                                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:slevy@ncsa.uiuc.edu"><slevy@ncsa.uiuc.edu></a>, "Ron
                                          Szoke" <a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
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href="mailto:r-szoke@illinois.edu"><r-szoke@illinois.edu></a>,
                                          "Ed Mandel" <a
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href="mailto:crazyhawk22@hotmail.com"><crazyhawk22@hotmail.com></a>,
                                          "Karen Medina"
                                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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href="mailto:kmedina@illinois.edu"><kmedina@illinois.edu></a>, <a
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                                            class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>,
                                          "Don
                                          McClure" <a
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                                            href="mailto:dmccjr@att.net"><dmccjr@att.net></a><br>
                                          Date: Monday, June 20, 2011,
                                          11:28 AM<br>
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                                            class="yiv439494220plainMail">On
                                            Mon, Jun 20,
                                            2011 at 07:26:47AM -0700,
                                            pnolan64 wrote:<br>
                                            > You know, you don't
                                            really need a float per se. 
                                            How about just
                                            having a bunch <br>
                                            > of people carrying
                                            signs protesting the war?  I
                                            personally think
                                            that would be <br>
                                            > far more impressive
                                            (and have more impact).  It
                                            gives the
                                            impression that the <br>
                                            > messages are coming
                                            from the people not from an
                                            organization.<br>
                                            > <br>
                                            > Oh, and the signs
                                            should be hand lettered but
                                            be clearly readable
                                            at a <br>
                                            > distance.  This would
                                            again show the messages are
                                            from the people.<br>
                                            > <br>
                                            > Paul<br>
                                            <br>
                                            My two cents: I agree with
                                            both Paul's points.  Signs,
                                            or
                                            signs-and-a-banner,<br>
                                            could be a fine entry.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            But please discount the
                                            above - I'll miss this
                                            year's parade, will be
                                            away on the 4th.<br>
                                            And I won't have time to
                                            help with planning until
                                            next week, at least.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            >  <br>
                                            > "To thine own self be
                                            true."<br>
                                            > William Shakespeare<br>
                                            > <br>
                                            > <br>
                                            > <br>
                                            > <br>
                                            >
                                            ________________________________<br>
                                            > From: Karen Medina <<a
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                                              rel="nofollow">kmedina67@gmail.com</a>><br>
                                            > To: Peace List <<a
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                                              rel="nofollow">peace@lists.chambana.net</a>><br>
                                            > Sent: Mon, June 20,
                                            2011 8:37:21 AM<br>
                                            > Subject: [Peace] Are
                                            you interested in working on
                                            AWARE's 4th of
                                            July float? We <br>
                                            > need all the helpers we
                                            can get.<br>
                                            > <br>
                                            > Peace,<br>
                                            > <br>
                                            > Are you interested in
                                            working on AWARE's 4th of
                                            July float? We need<br>
                                            > all the helpers we can
                                            get.<br>
                                            > <br>
                                            > -- karen medina<br>
                                            >
                                            _______________________________________________<br>
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                                            <br>
                                            >
                                            _______________________________________________<br>
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                                            > <a
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                                              href="http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace">http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace</a><br>
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