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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=1999wildcat@gmail.com href="mailto:1999wildcat@gmail.com">John Reimann</A>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 16, 2011 6:18 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [socialistdiscussion] report from Cairo</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Actually, in response to Sonja, I don't get the impression that
they dislike Americans at all. I think that whenever people rise up, and their
consciousness rises with it, they tend to distinguiish between the American
people and their government. Shat is strange to them is why an American would
come and involve himself in the struggle here. I do think that Mossad has been
active here, as it is throughout the region, and there is a feeling - correct,
in my view - that there's not a great difference between Mossad and the CIA. And
as I think I mentioned, there was the incident of a person who tried to pass
himself off as a US reporter earlier in the revolution here and he created some
real problems and it later turned out he was Israeli and probably not a reporter
at all. So people are very aware of these dangers.<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Julian Silverman <SPAN
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<P>I suppose there must be Americans are actually there trying to manipulate
things off-stage to secure the 'right' government without having to actually
invade......and there must be people spying on the popular movement looking
for entry-points, points of support to deal with Bolshies etc...... <BR></P>
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<DIV class=h5><BR>Sonja Engelhardt wrote:
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<P>I do understand that people don't like US Americans in the Middle East
(they don't like them in Europe either), but I don't really get the "spy"
thing. What do they think US Americans are spying for in Egypt? Good food?
<BR>I guess they are just in general suspicious about US Americans and what
they will do to their country. "Will they invade us next?" must be on their
mind all the time. Maybe that's the answer to my question...<BR><BR></P>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Julian Silverman
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<P>very interesting. Did you connect up with the RMT/SWP guy whose phone
number etc. I gave you: Kieran Crowe. He was on a trade union organised
visit to Egypt and, though he warned that people would be
suspicious, said that he did have contacts among militant workers
etc. I have invited him to our London meeting to listen to your report and
make any comments...I haven't heard from him recently and I'm not sure
whether to remind him about you.... Please let me know asap<BR><BR>Cliff
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<DIV>brilliant report john. it takes some real spine to be there
in such a informal manner but is, at the same time, entirely
important for socialists to have some contact onto the ground.. i
will send your report around to some of the people i know around
colorado who would be interested. </DIV>
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<DIV>cliff<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 7/16/11, John Reimann <I><A
href="mailto:1999wildcat@gmail..com"
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Reimann <A href="mailto:1999wildcat@gmail.com"
target=_blank><1999wildcat@gmail.com></A><BR>Subject:
[socialistdiscussion] report from Cairo<BR>To: "socialist
discussion" <A href="mailto:socialistdiscussion@yahoogroups.com"
target=_blank><socialistdiscussion@yahoogroups.com></A><BR>Date:
Saturday, July 16, 2011, 1:26 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Today, I went to Tahrir Square to look for a guy who was
going to go with me to see a union leader. However, as soon as I
entered the main tent area, this guy came up to me and said,
“You are American? Welcome!” and we started to talk. Within 5
minutes there was a crowd of some 20 people, mostly young,
standing around, peppering me with comments and questions.</DIV>
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<DIV>One of the first things they wanted to know was about
Israel. We talked a lot about that issue. They made it clear
that they were not against the Jewish people, but Zionism was a
different matter. There was one guy who as a strong Muslim –
maybe a fundamentalist to an extent. (He told me he hoped one
day I would read the Koran. I thanked him and also told him that
I hoped one day he would read the Communist Manifesto. That drew
a good laugh.) Anyway, this guy and a friend of his gave me a
long lecture about how Zionists control Wall St. and control the
US government, how the UN Security Council veto rule was set up
for Israel, etc. My position was that there is nothing that the
US government has done in the Middle East that it hasn't done
elsewhere. I pointed to the series of coups it helped organize
in Latin America. Look at its history – from defending the
enslavement of Africans, the slaughter of the Indians, the
machine gunning of striking US workers, etc.</DIV>
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<DIV>People asked me about Obama. I think when he came here and
said “Salaam Aleikum”, that made a big impression and people
liked him a lot. But my position is that the difference between
him and Bush is like that between a pickpocket and a mugger. In
this connection, we talked a lot about conditions in the US –
the unemployment, the homeless, the health care situation,
etc.</DIV>
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<DIV>I also met some slightly older workers and they were
telling me about the strikes here, starting in 2004, against
privatization. These strikes were really the spark of the
present revolution, and it was a general strike on February 9
that was what brought Mubarak down.</DIV>
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<DIV>At one point, a general who evidently is pretty popular - a
member of the ruling military council – tried to speak from one
of the stages set up here. It seems there was a division of
opinion, with the most vocal elements shouting him down. He went
from stage to stage, trying to get to speak. Finally, we left
that scene, and I don't know whether he got to speak or not, but
we heard a rumor that one young person hit him. I have no idea
whether that is actually true or not.</DIV>
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<DIV>Later, I was walking around with a few people and ran into
one group where a middle aged woman was one of the most vocal
figures. She was clearly very well educated and spoke nearly
perfect English. Her position was that for me to be there, I
should have gone to the US embassy and had them contact the
Egyptian government so that I could be there on official
business. Otherwise, I could be a spy or some sort of trouble
maker. I said that anybody who went through the US embassy –
<I>they</I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: normal"> would be the ones
who could not be trusted. However, she was so persistent that
both I and the person I was with thought it better for me to
leave for the time.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: normal">That's why I'm back early
and have the energy to write this report.</SPAN></DIV><BR
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