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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 31, 2011 12:48 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [socialistdiscussion] Re: Syrian troops muntiny</DIV></DIV>
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<P><BR><BR>I was thinking more of the way Ghadaffi has created a layer of
obviously loyal support. One pro-Ghadaffi website writes the following and I
have heard similar reports on mainstream media:<BR>"the Libyan Revolution when
it comes decent living conditions has produced far better results than in the
so-called democracies of the bourgeois West, with staggering levels of
unemployment, high living costs, homelessness, and so on. There are no crippling
mortgages in Libya, but rather apartments that inhabitants enjoy rent-free.
Purchases for a new car are helped out by the Government, which issues financial
assistance covering up to half the cost. Gasoline only costs $0.14 a liter.
Newlyweds receive $64,000 for the purchase of a new apartment, and $7000 for
every newborn. The Jamahiriya is a form of government that takes care of its
people, unlike under bourgeois rule, under which Libya suffered horribly during
the Idris monarchy." <BR><BR>Subsidies for food, particularly bread and oil, are
often present in Middle Eastern countries whatever their political complexion.
Iran offers analogous benefits, I believe. Didn't the IMT cosnider whether Iran
beside Syria had elements of a workers' state?<BR>I had the impression, in
Libya, that besides the state bank most, if not all, of the oilfields were in
state hands. Recent concessions to western capital were aimed at rapid
development, particularly of the mediterranean coastline's tourist industry but
I'm not sure if these were temporary drilling rights or if the oilfields have
been privatised.<BR><BR>If this or other Middle Eastern economies were found to
be mostly in state hands, wouldn't this change socialists' attitude to the Arab
Spring /Summer? And wouldn't it be necessary to help warn against counter
revolutionary currents in the uprisings?<BR><BR>Lots of open questions and ifs I
know but I haven't seen any clear analysis so far. Anyone know of
one?<BR><BR>Walter<BR><BR></P></DIV><!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~-->
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