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<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial>Carl,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial>This is absolutely Excellent !</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial>Unfortunately the problem with most liberals is
that they are ; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial>1) The older liberals that are living in
the past, in the sense that they have not realized ( or refuse to accept ) the
changed political landscape / shifting of political alliances from the 1960's /
1970's ( aka. The Class War ) and are totaly focused on identity politics. They
continue to live in the fantasy of the past that the democratic party is the "
vanguard " of good and change,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial>2) The younger liberals whom are
oppurtunists.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial>The last thing they would ever do is form any
alliance with the Working class that they both despise and fear of ever
becoming themselves. Hence they kiss the ass of the ruling class for some type
of ; think tank, NGO administrator, etc. job, and then rationalize that
they are advancing the interests of humanity when in fact they are nothing but
corporate hacks. These are the one's who also support the democratic
party to advance their careers into either the DLC or some cabinet
position.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial>3) Working class people who identify with
liberals and think that they are also liberals.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial>This group has the most potential to take to heart
Carl Oglesby's message, but probably not until they are betrayed the 5th or 6th
time by the dems ( 2016 or 2020 election year ) and have slid
from middle class standards into poverty.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial>David J.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=galliher@illinois.edu href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">C. G.
Estabrook</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=peace-discuss@anti-war.net
href="mailto:peace-discuss@anti-war.net">peace-discuss@anti-war.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:22
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Peace-discuss] Carl Oglesby on
humanist liberals</DIV>
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<P
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 17px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(58,57,57); FONT-SIZE: small">[Carl
Oglesby died Tuesday. I was privileged to know him slightly. The following is
from his speech at one of the first major anti-war rallies in Washington,more
than 45 years ago. The problem he speaks of remains the same. Requiescat in
pace. --CGE]</P>
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<P
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 17px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(58,57,57); FONT-SIZE: small">Let
me then speak directly to humanist liberals. If my facts are wrong, I will
soon be corrected. But if they are right, then you may face a crisis of
conscience. Corporatism or humanism: which? For it has come to that. Will you
let your dreams be used? Will you be a grudging apologist for the corporate
state? Or will you help try to change it—not in the name of this or that
blueprint or ism, but in the name of simple human decency and democracy and
the vision that wise and brave men saw in the time of our own revolution?</P>
<P
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 17px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(58,57,57); FONT-SIZE: small">And
if your commitment to human values is unconditional, then disabuse yourselves
of the notion that statements will bring change, if only the right statements
can be written, or that interviews with the mighty will bring change if only
the mighty can be reached, or that marches will bring change if only we can
make them massive enough, or that policy proposals will bring change if only
we can make them responsible enough.</P>
<P
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 17px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(58,57,57); FONT-SIZE: small">We
are dealing now with a colossus that does not want to be changed. It will not
change itself. It will not cooperate with those who want to change it. Those
allies of ours in the government—are they really our allies? If they are, then
they don’t need advice, they need constituencies; they don’t need study
groups, they need a movement. And it they are not, then all the more reason
for building that movement with the most relentless conviction.</P>
<P
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 17px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(58,57,57); FONT-SIZE: small">There
are people in this country today who are trying to build that movement, who
aim at nothing less than a humanist reformation. And the humanist liberals
must understand that it is this movement with which their own best hopes are
most in tune. We radicals know the same history that you liberals know, and we
can understand your occasional cynicism, exasperation, and even distrust. But
we ask you to put these aside and help us risk a leap. Help us find enough
time for the enormous work that needs doing here. Help us build. Help us shape
the future in the name of plain human hope.</P>
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