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Carl,<br>
35 years of experience with the duplicitous Tim - always railing
against things he's in fact supported at various more politically
convenient times -- doesn't convince me he has much sincerity or
commitment to his new, now seemingly dovish position.<br>
Mike Lehman<br>
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On 9/29/2011 10:37 AM, C. G. ESTABROOK wrote:
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cite="mid:DBCADA15-6868-403A-8633-208733F65739@shout.net"
type="cite">That's an astonishing statement, Mike. Here we spend
ten years trying to convince the government to cease its criminal
wars, and when a congressman - no better than he should be - comes
around to the correct point view, we dismiss it...?
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<div>On Sep 29, 2011, at 10:10 AM, Mike Lehman wrote:</div>
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<p> A stopped clock is right twice a day. That
hardly rates a headline -- or a Subject line -- in
my book.<br>
Mike Lehman<br>
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On 9/29/2011 10:06 AM, C. G. ESTABROOK wrote: </p>
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type="cite"> Apparently similar in this regard to
his potential Democratic opponents (whom he also
resembles in talking nonsense about the deficit). <br>
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<div>On Sep 29, 2011, at 8:56 AM, David Green
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<div><span>And also unwilling to consider
the implications re Israel/Palestine.</span></div>
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[Peace-discuss] Local rep. right
about war...<br>
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<div>[...but wrong about Social
Security, Medicare, and the
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<b>Johnson stance on war draws
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<div>Wed, 09/28/2011 -
9:03pm | Tom Kacich</div>
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<div align="">DECATUR --
About two years after he
first called for the
withdrawal of U.S. troops
from Iraq and Afghanistan,
U.S. Rep. Tim Johnson,
R-Urbana, now appears to
be gaining the support of
his constituents.</div>
<div align="">Speaking to
about 100 people -- nearly
all white and conservative
-- at the Decatur Public
Library, Johnson received
a burst of applause
Wednesday evening when he
again called for an end to
U.S. military involvement
in the Middle East.</div>
<div align="">Johnson also
suggested gradually
raising the retirement age
to strengthen Social
Security and Medicare, and
said he was willing to
look at revenue measures,
not just budget cuts, to
reduce the federal
deficit.</div>
<div align="">The six-term
congressman criticized
Democrats for not being
willing to make cuts in
federal spending and hit
Republicans for supporting
only "cuts in non-defense
discretionary spending."</div>
<div align="">"That is not
acceptable, ladies and
gentlemen," said Johnson.
"I understand there are
people in here who are
going to vehemently
disagree with me and who
believe that every war is
a good war. The reality is
that by the time we will
have completed our
quote-unquote mission --
and I don't know what the
mission is, ladies and
gentlemen -- we will have
spent close to 4 trillion
dollars in those wars.</div>
<div align="">"We cannot
exclude defense from the
cuts in dealing with our
national debt."</div>
<div align="">Johnson said
he doesn't believe his
constituents "are one iota
safer because we're losing
thousands of American men
and women, and hundreds of
thousands of innocent
civilians in Afghanistan
and Libya and Iraq."</div>
<div align="">"I have
consistently voted in
appropriation after
appropriation and bill
after bill to get out of
Iraq and Afghanistan and
Libya," he said. It was at
that point and during
other statements about
defense spending that
Johnson received his only
sustained applause during
the meeting.</div>
<div align="">"We can't
afford it in our men and
women's lives, we can't
afford it in our
infrastructure, and we
can't afford it fiscally,"
he said of the wars.</div>
<div align="">Following the
meeting, Johnson said he
was surprised by the
response.</div>
<div align="">"But generally
in the public and even
among the conservative
base, people are starting
to say, why are we here?
Why are we spending the
money? Why are we allowing
men and women to be killed
for a mission we cannot
define? I think it's
critical to our economic
and moral future that we
get out tomorrow, and that
we don't engage in some
new stupid war the next
time. I'm just quoting the
president."</div>
<div align="">On other
issues, Johnson said:</div>
<div align="">-- He thinks
Social Security and
Medicare can be
strengthened by gradually
raising the retirement
age.</div>
<div align="">"To prevent
the system from going
bankrupt, there have to be
modest changes for new
workers in the system," he
said. "For people who are
entering the system
tweaking the age of
retirement, when it has
stayed the same for
decades, makes economic
sense. Relatively small
changes in the retirement
age have a dramatic effect
on the fiscal soundness of
Social Security. I'm not
suggesting we move the age
to 75, but moving it to 67
1/2 over a phased-in
period makes economic
sense and moral sense."</div>
<div align="">He also said
he wouldn't rule out the
need for higher
contributions into the
system.</div>
<div align="">"I'm not
ruling anything out but
what I'm ruling in is the
fact that we have to make
common-sense, fair changes
to preserve the safety
net," he said. "If we
don't do that there's
going to be no Social
Security, no Medicare for
the future."</div>
<div align="">-- He is not
ruling out the need for
revenue measures to cut
into the federal budget
deficit.</div>
<div align="">"The revenue
side of the equation has
to be examined. There are
a number of tax loopholes
that exist now, some tax
breaks that are being
phased out that I support
phasing out and others
that I don't. I think we
need to look at the whole
picture. I don't think you
can responsibly look at
the debt crisis we face
without looking at every
aspect of ways to solve
it."</div>
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