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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [socialistdiscussion] Israel to attack Iran?</DIV></DIV>
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<P>Here are some articles claiming that the deal to release the imprisoned
Israeli soldier is connected with a plan of the Israeli regime to attack Iran in
the next few weeks. It also deals with the US claim that Iran had planned to
assassinate a Saudi diplomat - which they claim is a set-up (and which I believe
is).<BR><BR><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">2. Haaretz Monday, October 17,
2011</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Latest update 04:09 17.10.11 </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">The link between Shalit's release and Iran's
bomb</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">The Shalit deal is meant to demonstrate that Netanyahu
is a wise, fatherly leader with an aura of greatness.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><A
href="http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/the-link-between-shalit-s-release-and-iran-s-bomb-1.390350"
target=_blank>http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/the-link-between-shalit-s-release-and-iran-s-bomb-1.390350</A></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">By Sefi Rachlevsky </SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">For a determined leadership, a deal to free a kidnapped
Israeli is like a candy bar waiting on the shelf. In contrast to peace and most
other issues, the timing of such a deal depends entirely on Israel's leadership,
and public enthusiasm is guaranteed. One word - yes - and the deal is done. It's
no accident that the deal for the return of abducted businessman Elhanan
Tennenbaum was orchestrated to take place on the day David Appel was indicted
for bribery - a development that was supposed to have been followed by charges
against then-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">The Gilad Shalit deal can't be viewed in isolation. The
timing stemmed from three factors. One is the summer's social protest.
Regrettably, however, that wasn't a major motive; Prime Minister Benjamin
Netanyahu is far from viewing the protest as a threat - after all, his numbers
in public opinion polls are still good.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">A more significant reason is the damage the deal does to
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, and to the chances of a peace
agreement and a withdrawal from the territories. The deal strengthens Hamas and
weakens Abbas, thus reducing the diplomatic prospects. And for Netanyahu, that's
a worthy end.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Yet even this isn't the most important point. In
Netanyahu's view, the PA president has already been thwarted in the United
States by AIPAC, evangelical Christians and Congress, which, together,
strong-armed U.S. President Barack Obama. Thus, it seems the real story is an
attack on Iran.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Anyone who has held an in-depth discussion with the
decision-making duo - Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak - could conclude
that the timing of the Shalit deal is the prologue to such an attack. The
operational reason - that the response to the attack will also come from Gaza,
so it's preferable that Shalit not be there - is marginal. The real issue is
legitimacy.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Even an extremist leadership needs legitimacy to
endanger tens of thousands of its citizens. A principal source of such
legitimacy is if the adventure enjoys sweeping support from the heads of the
security services, as the Shalit deal did.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">But there's one problem: No such support exists; quite
the contrary. Even though Barak waged a campaign of persuasion via personal
conversations, dozens of generals - past and present leaders of the defense
establishment at the level of chief of staff or head of command - vehemently
oppose an attack right now. Only one junior officer, Netanyahu's military
secretary, doesn't really object.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">The reason is simple: According to even the most
optimistic assessments, a successful attack will delay Iran's nuclear program by
two years at most. But an attack will greatly strengthen the messianic wing of
Tehran's leadership - headed by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who is
currently on his way out - and increase Iran's determination to embark on an
open race for a nuclear bomb.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Thus, an Israeli assault would merely shorten the time
until an Iranian bomb was produced. Moreover, Iran's motivation to use such a
bomb would increase, while Western support for the nuclear deterrent that
protects Israel would be undermined.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">The second possible source of legitimacy is the
conviction, among both Israeli citizens and the West, that Israel's leadership
has done everything it can to obtain an agreement that would stabilize the
Middle East. An agreement would dramatically reduce the motivation for extremism
in the region. An agreement, or even a sincere desire for one, would also lead
the West to give Israel strategic support. Such support is essential to move to
an open nuclear deterrent, obtain a NATO umbrella and curtail the salvos of
thousands of missiles that would follow an Israeli assault - salvos that are
liable to last for months, perhaps even years, according to individuals such as
former Mossad chief Ephraim Halevy.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">However, the opposite is true: Israel is viewed as more
extremist and more isolated than ever before.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Hence, all that remains is an attempt to create the kind
of quasi-mystical legitimacy that characterizes undemocratic regimes. The Shalit
deal is meant to demonstrate that Netanyahu is a wise, fatherly leader with an
aura of greatness. When it's necessary, he will worry about a single soldier,
and when it's necessary to endanger tens of thousands of people, he will do so
responsibly. This accurately describes the mood of the twosome in the
headlines.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Each and every opponent of an attack within the defense
establishment must therefore make it clear to the duo that they can't behave
like this. It is not possible to endanger an entire nation for years via an
underhanded, opportunistic maneuver - not in the dead of night; not by hastily
convincing a few elderly rabbis; not in defiance of the entire defense
establishment; not in defiance of all the past and present heads of the Israel
Defense Forces, the Mossad, the Shin Bet security service, Military Intelligence
and the Atomic Energy Commission; not in defiance of the United States; not when
Ahmadinejad and his gang of messianists are growing weaker; not when there are
signs of American measures in the wake of Iran's attempt to assassinate the
Saudi ambassador to Washington and the International Atomic Energy Agency's
impending severe report; not when the clouds are about to burst. Just plain
no.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">There are things that even a duo, the one half of which
is brave and talented, can't do on its own. They have no mandate. Not now. Not
like this.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">3. <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><A
href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/series/simon-tisdall-world-briefing"
target=_blank>Simon Tisdall's world briefing</A></SPAN></B></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">A week or two or so ago i read an email from someone
that Israel had a few week window of opportunity to attack Iran. I don't
remember where i read it or the details, one factor was weather, but i forget
the others. And then there was the "red flag" false rumor about Iran being
responsible for the assassination or attempted assassination of the Saudi
diplomat (sorry for displaying my terrible memory here) -the point is that i
tucked those disturbing stories into the back of my worry pile. And then i read
this. If this is true - any way to mobilize against such stupidity to stop it?
I've heard of shooting ones self in the foot - but this would be more like
shooting ourselves in the stomach or head. Actually - i' would feel it most in
my heart.<BR><BR>Or perhaps this is all foolish rumor . . . Or sanity will
prevail at the highest levels without intervention. . . . Sorry if i'm passing
along something that is not true. Sorrier if it is true ,however. .
.<BR><BR>thanks, pat<BR><BR><BR><BR></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><A
href="http://www.activistpost.com/2011/10/sources-us-gives-israel-green-light-for.html"
target=_blank><FONT color=red><SPAN style="COLOR: red">Sources: US Gives
Israel Green Light For Iran Strike</SPAN></FONT></A></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><I><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Fabricated terror plot
provides pretext for intervention following Panetta’s October 3 Tel Aviv
visit </SPAN></FONT></I><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><BR><BR>Paul Joseph Watson<BR><A
href="http://www.activistpost.com/2011/10/sources-us-gives-israel-green-light-for.html"
target=_blank>Prison Planet</A><BR><BR>The Obama administration’s
fabricated terror plot blamed on Iran represents the green light for an
Israeli attack on Iran set to take place within the next two weeks,
according to confidential military sources who spoke with Alex Jones.
</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><BR>Israel is concerned that major powers like
Germany are moving closer to smoothing relations with Iran and allowing
Iran to continue its nuclear enrichment program unimpeded. A two month
window has been allocated during which Israel has the opportunity to
launch a military assault, waiting until winter when the attack will be
more difficult to pull off is not an option.<BR><BR>US Defense Secretary
Leon Panetta’s October 3 Tel Aviv visit was used by Israeli hawks to
convince the United States that it should green light the attack. Less
than 10 days later, a fanciful terror plot involving a used car salesman
was invented to implicate Iran and create the pretext for a military
assault.<BR><BR><BR></SPAN></FONT></P></TD></TR>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><A
href="http://activistpost.net/survive-chaos.html"
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">“In recent weeks, intense discussions have taken
place in Israeli military and intelligence circles about whether or not to
launch a military strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities. Apparently,
the key question in the debate was how to ensure that the United States
took part in the attack or, at the very least, intervened on Israel’s side
if the initial strike triggered a wider war,” <A
href="http://gulfnews.com/opinions/columnists/will-israel-bomb-iran-without-notifying-the-us-1.891422"
target=_blank>writes Patrick Seale of Gulf News</A>.<BR><BR>That
intervention has now been mandated by the announcement of the fabricated
terror plot, which was actually concocted last month but only made public
now.<BR><BR>While U.S. intelligence officials prepare to release claims
about a<A
href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/13/earlyshow/main20119740.shtml"
target=_blank> “chain” of plots that will be blamed on Iran</A>, Time
Magazine reports that the Obama administration is preparing to use the
accusations to take action beyond mere isolation tactics.<BR><BR>“If the
Administration fails to win support for a significant escalation of
sanctions or other forms of punishment for the Tehran regime after
presenting evidence of the latest allegations of Iranian malfeasance, the
ball will land back in Obama’s court,” <A
href="http://972mag.com/does-the-d-c-bomb-plot-and-shalit-deal-spell-%E2%80%9Cwar-with-iran%E2%80%9D/25274/"
target=_blank>writes Tony Karon</A>. “Having made the case that Iran has
crossed a red line, he will be under growing pressure to act — or risk
entering a highly polarized election season haunted by a “soft on Iran”
charge.”<BR><BR>With neo-cons rushing to support aggressive measures
against Iran, Obama will now be given right cover to pursue yet another
act of regime change. As we <A
href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-is-being-blackmailed-into-attacking-iran.html"
target=_blank>postulated back in February last year</A>, Obama is being
blackmailed into supporting an attack on Iran as the only way to save his
presidency. We also speculated that an assassination attempt would be used
as the pretext to implicate Iran.<BR><BR>Geopolitical experts have been
consistent in their warnings that Israel was preparing to strike Iran this
fall.<BR><BR>Back in July, 21-year CIA veteran <A
href="http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=229603"
target=_blank>Robert Baer told KPFK Los Angeles</A> that Israeli Prime
Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was planning an attack on Iran in September to
coincide with the Palestine bid for UN membership.<BR><BR>Speaking with
the Alex Jones Show today, former State Department official Steve
Pieczenik, who has numerous inside intelligence sources having worked in
several sensitive positions during the course of his career, also
indicated that the terror plot was completely fabricated and that it would
be used a pretext to justify a military strike against
Iran.<BR><BR>Pieczenik also pointed out that Israel had recently taken
delivery of a large amount of bunker buster missiles.<BR><BR><A
href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/fbi-insider-obama-administration-likely-manufactured-dubious-terror-plot.html"
target=_blank>As we have documented</A>, the alleged assassination plot
against Saudi Ambassador Adel al-Jubeir, which is now being cited by
everyone from John Kerry to John McCain as a justification for a potential
military strike, is a complete fantasy.<BR><BR>Retired U.S. Army
Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Shaffer has revealed that an FBI insider with a
high security clearance told him no records whatsoever detailing the plot
existed within DOJ channels, clearly indicating the whole episode was
manufactured.<BR><BR><A
href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/iranian-terror-mastermind-described-as-drunk-pothead-hooker-frequenting-joke/"
target=_blank>It has also now emerged </A>that the alleged “mastermind”
behind the plot was a drunk pothead who liked to frequent with prostitutes
and was described by those who know him as a “joke”.<BR><BR><I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Paul Joseph Watson is the editor and writer for
<A href="http://prisonplanet.com/" target=_blank>Prison Planet.com</A>. He
is the author of Order Out Of Chaos. Watson is also a regular fill-in host
for The Alex Jones Show. </SPAN></I></SPAN></FONT></P>
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