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title=1999wildcat@gmail.com href="mailto:1999wildcat@gmail.com">John Reimann</A>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 28, 2011 9:07 AM</DIV>
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<P>Last night we met to try to organize the outreach for Wednesday's general
strike/mobilization to shut down the 1%. The meeting was organized confusion at
best. All sorts of different types with different agendas. The head of the
Central labor Council was there. She and a few of her cohorts gave nice sounding
speeches about how "we are with you", etc. A representative of the bureaucracy
of the teachers' union spoke about how militant they have been, marching on
different banks. This all received an enthusiastic reception from most people.
One guy, a long time activist and former member of the Sparticist League who
still uses their methods, made some long-winded political speeches - manifestos,
really. This was during a meeting which was attempting to organize who was going
to leaflet where for this general strike. At one point, he put forward a
"proposal" (a motion) to rent a hall in order to have a general discussion.
Later, he was angry that this never came to a vote - including being angry at me
for not pushing it. (I told him if he wanted to rent a hall and organize a
meeting he should do so.) <BR><BR>The confusion is a result of several factors:
First and foremost is the lack of experience of the great majority. Connected to
this is the fact that most of them are still pretty middle class, with all the
liberal confusions that go along with that. Although they are being radicalized
daily, at their core they still want to seek some compromise with the system and
tend to gravitate towards anybody in a position of power, any authority, who
will offer some kind words. The great majority of revolutionaries are the
anarchists, as I've said before. They have one basic, fundamental strength: They
understand that the battle is in the streets and they cannot trust anybody in a
position of authority and that the main task is to mobilize as many people -
especially the most downtrodden - as possible. <BR><BR>However, they are held
back by a couple of important weaknesses: First of all they have these
organizational fetishes, such as their opposition to election of a formal
leadership. This means that it is nearly impossible to make any clear decisions
in time, since it is totally unwieldy to make such decisions out of the blue at
the general assemblies. So the unofficial leadership meets and decides what to
propose to the general assembly, but the question that lingers - and surfaces
every once in awhile - is why their proposals should have any more merit than
anybody else's. <BR><BR>These confusions are tied in with their political
confusions. They are completely hostile to the Democrats, as we are of course.
But they have no alternative. The result of this is that they leave an opening
for the "progressive" Democrats. This, of course, plays into the liberal
illusions of many - probably most - of the crowd.<BR><BR>I want to emphasize,
though, that I am working very closely with them and that overall they are the
driving force behind this movement and playing a fundamental role. Without them,
this would not be happening in this way.<BR><BR>My thought is that after
Wednesday to see if there is a possibility to organize an open forum with
myself, one of them and possibly the head of the central labor council to
discuss what is the way forward. I've been able to achieve a fair bit of
credibility so I think there's a good chance that I would be able to present the
Marxist position on any such forum.<BR><BR>John<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Ed Bober <SPAN
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>This movement is at its very early stages. It is
rather vague and undefined. When the organised working class become more
involved, I think the question of the need for a programme will gain
prominence.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>John's contribution at the rally clearly got a
good reception.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Ed</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=steve.ballard@virgin.net href="mailto:steve.ballard@virgin.net"
target=_blank>Steve Ballard</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=socialistdiscussion@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:socialistdiscussion@yahoogroups.com"
target=_blank>socialistdiscussion@yahoogroups.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 27, 2011 11:41
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [socialistdiscussion]
latest developments</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I was merely
suggesting that (regardless of my age or the colour of my beard) science is
confirming that humankind’s alienated confiscation of the means to sustain
life from the rest of Nature is <I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic">unsustainable</SPAN></I>, and that the only way
to prevent further disintegration of communities and the denaturing of
Nature is by <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">replacing the basis of
government from dehumanising confiscation by a few from the many to
humanising cultivation by all for
all</SPAN></B>.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Is it not the
purpose of this discussion group to equip its members (as best as it can) to
overcome the reluctance to clarify and advocate such
demands?<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Otherwise, aren’t
we reinforcing the misconception that ‘our’ economic demands can be met
without denaturing Nature elsewhere?<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Isn’t that the
essence of scientific socialism?<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
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lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US> <U></U><A
href="mailto:socialistdiscussion@yahoogroups.com"
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[mailto:<U></U><A href="mailto:socialistdiscussion@yahoogroups.com"
target=_blank>socialistdiscussion@yahoogroups.com</A><U></U>] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>John Reimann<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 27 October 2011 17:00<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <U></U><A
href="mailto:socialistdiscussion@yahoogroups.com"
target=_blank>socialistdiscussion@yahoogroups.com</A><U></U><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [socialistdiscussion]
latest developments</SPAN></FONT><SPAN
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<P><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks
for your suggestions. The question of demands is difficult. There is a
general reluctance to officially put forward any demands. When I spoke at
the rally last Saturday, however, I put forward a series of demands or a
program. These ranged from for a $20 per hour minimum wage and equivalent
raises for all to supporting the Pelican Bay Prison hunger strikers and
jailing killer cops and freedom for Bradley Manning and all political
prisoners. In general, the response was very positive to all the demands.
(You can see (hear) the demands on the video I forwarded to this list a few
days ago. You'd have to go about half way through through the video to get
to my speech.)<BR><BR>My feeling is that we old grey beards have always
known that we need the youth, but that a youth movement is developing in a
completely unexpected way and to an extent we have to "go with the flow",
while not losing our balance. We have to keep in mind the things that we
feel are important and look for the opportunity to raise them.<BR><BR>For
instance, yesterday I had a discussion with a group of anarchists who are
playing a leading role. For the first time I raised the question of a formal
leadership including elections in the sense of saying that we should just
keep this in mind, think about it. There was a general rejection of what I'd
raised. Then, at the general assembly, some things came up that made clear
that we revolutionaries may not always be in the majority and what happens
when we are acting as the leadership but without the majority support. That
will be used to further the thinking about these issues.<BR><BR>I think on
the particulars of the program presented below that it's a bit too detailed
and in-depth for what can be presented right now. Thanks for the
suggestions, though.<BR><BR>John<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:43 AM, Steve Ballard
<<A href="mailto:steve.ballard@virgin.net"
target=_blank>steve.ballard@virgin.net</A>>
wrote:<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Have you considered
putting up a demand for cultivation not confiscation, based on the abolition
of all accountable public debt to unaccountable private institutions, and
the right of the general assembly to call political leaders to
account?</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Otherwise, what
will the demands of the general strike be? Once the people have taken to the
streets (as they are beginning to), which direction should they
take?</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Some of us tried to
get this debate started within the National Shop Stewards Network, but it
was blocked by the sectarian squabbling between socialist organisations
claiming allegiance to Marxism.</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I
have started to circulate the article below to test the
water.</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
<P style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal
align=center><B><FONT color=black size=4 face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Scientific
Socialism in a Nutshell</SPAN></FONT></B><U></U><U></U></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2
face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The Declaration
of American Independence states:-</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2
face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">“We hold these
truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are
endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these
are Life, <U></U><U></U>Liberty<U></U><U></U> and the pursuit of Happiness.
— That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">deriving their just powers from the
consent of the governed</SPAN></B>, — That <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">whenever any Form of Government becomes
destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to
abolish it</SPAN></B>, and to institute new Government, laying its
foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to
them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and
Happiness.”</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2
face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">From Tottenham
to <U></U><U></U>Tripoli<U></U><U></U>, it is a self-evident truth that all
people are <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">not</SPAN></I> born with
equal unalienable rights. “Government of the people, by the people, for the
people” is disintegrating. The rights described in the Declaration as
‘unalienable’ are being destroyed by the dehumanising form of government it
instituted. More and more governments are becoming increasingly alienated
and alienating by their collusion with the profit-driven confiscation of the
means to sustain life <B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">without the consent of the
governed</SPAN></I></B>. </SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2
face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">More and more
communities are finding they are unable to acquire and share the means to
sustain life according to community-determined need, nurture their children
and induct them into their community practices and hierarchies, and reassure
their old and their sick. That is to say, <I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic">more and more communities are disintegrating
because they are <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">prevented by their
governments from cultivating
themselves</SPAN></B></SPAN></I>.</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2
face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">It is contended
here that the <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">deliberate</SPAN></I>
<I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">cultivation</SPAN></I> of land,
livestock and communities together with the (currently <I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic">destabilising</SPAN></I>) development of
inter-community relations has been (and always will be) the essence of all
cultural practices. Consciously or otherwise, deliberate cultivation is the
condition of humankind’s social existence. That is to say, <I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic">the essence of human history is the deliberate
cultivation of communities, land and livestock, <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">and their over-arching
government</SPAN></B></SPAN></I>.</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2
face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">It is further
contended here that the distinguishing aspect of our current epoch is
humankind’s emerging recognition of the <I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic">unviability</SPAN></I> of the prevailing
destabilising, dehumanising, profit-driven <I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic">confiscation</SPAN></I> of the means to sustain
life from most of humankind <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">and the rest
of Nature</SPAN></I>.</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2
face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">On this basis,
it is contended here that the only way to stabilise government is by
deliberately empowering relations between democratically accountable
<I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">cultural constituencies (particularly
trade unions)</SPAN></I>, and deliberately disempowering self-serving
unaccountable <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">profiteering institutions
(particularly private banks)</SPAN></I>.</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2
face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">That is to say,
the only way to prevent further disintegration of communities and the
denaturing of Nature is by replacing the basis of government from
<B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">dehumanising</SPAN></I></B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic"> confiscation by a few from the many</SPAN></I>
to<B><I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"> humanising
</SPAN></I></B><I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">cultivation by all for
all</SPAN></I> — <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">humankind working with
the rest of Nature, not against
it</SPAN></B>.</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2
face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">To accomplish
this historically overdue <I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic">systemic</SPAN></I> <I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic">transformation</SPAN></I> of the over-arching
government of culturally diverse communities, it is necessary for a critical
mass of people drawn from geographically and culturally diverse
constituencies to advocate an international programme of measures designed
to deliberately empower <I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic">humanising<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">
</SPAN></B></SPAN></I>relations between <I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic">diverse cultural constituencies (led by trade
unions)</SPAN></I>, and disempower <I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic">dehumanising profiteering institutions (led by
private banks)</SPAN></I>, and mobilise those constituencies in solidarity
with others abandoned and marginalised by their
governments.</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2
face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">These measures
will, of course, be different in different countries. Nevertheless, in most
countries, the following will be generally
applicable:</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2
face=Symbol><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">·</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black size=1><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 7pt">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Abolition
of:</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2
face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">1.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black size=1><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 7pt">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">all public debt
and usurious payments to unaccountable private
institutions</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2
face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">2.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black size=1><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 7pt">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">all legal
entitlement to inherited titles and confiscated (unearned) property
</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2
face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">3.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black size=1><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 7pt">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">all anti-trade
union laws, standing armies and weapons of mass
destruction</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2
face=Symbol><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">·</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black size=1><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 7pt">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Formation of
publicly accountable local, regional, national and international constituent
assemblies to govern the systematic cultivation
of:</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2
face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">4.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black size=1><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 7pt">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">all land,
livestock and natural resources</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2
face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">5.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black size=1><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 7pt">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">sustainable
relations between all communities and
countries</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2
face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">6.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black size=1><SPAN
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">education,
communication and transport</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
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face=Symbol><SPAN
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Implementation
of progressive taxation policies designed to
nurture:</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
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face=Verdana><SPAN
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">sustainable
integration of agriculture and manufacturing
industries</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
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face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">8.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">sustainable
distribution of national, urban and rural
populations</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
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face=Verdana><SPAN
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">sustainable
consumption of the means necessary to sustain
life.</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
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face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">(Those wishing
to develop this ‘work in progress’ are invited to contact <A
href="mailto:info@criticalmasses.net"
target=_blank>info@criticalmasses.net</A>.)</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I just returned from downtown
<U></U><U></U>Oakland<U></U><U></U>. The turnout at the general assembly was
overwhelming. The GA was held in the amphitheater of
<U></U><U></U>Oscar<U></U> <U></U>Grant<U></U> <U></U>Plaza<U></U><U></U>.
The entire "seating" area was packed from side to side. The depressed area
between it and the stage was packed. The facilitators had to keep requesting
that people move back because the stage area was packed full as was the
walkway behind it and the City Hall steps.<BR><BR>We put a proposal to the
crowd that one week from today we have a shut down and general strike in
<U></U><U></U>Oakland<U></U><U></U>. Many concerns were raised - whether we
could organize that in time, could we get workers to strike, etc. Boots
Riley (of Boots and the Coup - an excellent radical rap group in
<U></U><U></U>Oakland<U></U><U></U>) made the point that thousands of union
workers are looking for some point of inspiration. Others pointed out that
we have to strike when the iron is hot. In the end, the vote on the proposal
went as follows:<BR><BR>"yes" -- 1,484<BR>"abstain" -- 76<BR>"no" --
44<BR><BR>If comrades want to spread this message as far and wide as
possible, and launch a call for a global general strike/day of action on
that date, I think it would be
great.<BR><BR>John<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at
6:30 PM, Sonja Engelhardt <<A href="mailto:sonjaengelhardt69@gmail.com"
target=_blank>sonjaengelhardt69@gmail.com</A>>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">It looks like Downtown Oakland is (almost)
re-occupied again right now. There are 2000 people down there in the middle
of <U></U><U></U>Oakland<U></U><U></U>, (nearby the re-named "Oscar
Grant"-Plazza) at this moment. The police brutality of last night has
brought out a lot of more people, and the mayor doesn't know how to react.
She even stated now that she "supported" the movement. A recent poll showed
that almost 50% of the <U></U><U></U>US<U></U><U></U> population is
supporting the "Occupy Movement" right now. The media coverage has
dramatically changed too. The police brutality is shown on all channels and
the reports in the papers and on TV about the movement are becoming
increasingly supportive (of the movements and at the same time critical
about what is going on in the <U></U><U></U>US<U></U><U></U>). I think a
major factor is that middle class people are getting more and more involved
- all the students who will never be able to pay back their student loans,
for example. <BR>They had a report today on the news about a student who
won't be able to pay back her student loan before 2032 - exactly the year
when her child will start going to college...<BR>People are in debt and
unable to find jobs. The fact that President Obama "was in town" as well
this weekend, was only a secondary fact on the news. The media has its
priorities right this time. It seems as if it is really about the people
(and them taking action) instead of about politicians (pretending to take
action).<BR>Interesting developments!<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at
5:32 PM, Sonja Engelhardt <<A href="mailto:sonjaengelhardt69@gmail.com"
target=_blank>sonjaengelhardt69@gmail.com</A>>
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face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I just watched a report
in the news showing (on a major TV channel - you can probably see it on
youtube as well) how other people were trying to help ths guy, laying
emotionless on the ground and someone from the police threw another tear gas
bomb or something like it just in the middle of the crowd, next to the
Veteran who didn't even move anymore at this point. Horrrible. The Mayor of
Oakland was giving a press conference about that right now. The event is
supposed to be "investigated"... The people here are very upset right
now...!!! <U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at
2:13 PM, John Reimann <<A href="mailto:1999wildcat@gmail.com"
target=_blank>1999wildcat@gmail.com</A>>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I have just been told that one guy, a member of Iraq
Veterans Against the War, was hit in the head with a rubber bullet last
night, that he's in the hospital and that he may
die.<BR><BR>John<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
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2:06 PM, Felicity Dowling <<A href="mailto:feldowling@yahoo.co.uk"
target=_blank>feldowling@yahoo.co.uk</A>>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks John for
all these reports.Well done indeed. We are living it with you. Each
group even each individual will be experiencing this differently.
Keeping in touch with the participants is a good idea even if things
go quiet for a while. discussions will be very
important. Felicity</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2
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<<A href="mailto:1999wildcat@gmail.com"
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A
href="mailto:socialistdiscussion@yahoogroups.com"
target=_blank>socialistdiscussion@yahoogroups.com</A><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, 26 October 2011,
20:03<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
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face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">A couple
of additional points:<BR><BR>1) A number of occupations were raided about
the same time. I figure the word must have been put out by the tops of the
Democratic Party that this movement was causing too many problems and
focusing too much on Wall Street and it had to come to an end. This was
coordinated from the very top of the Democratic Party, in my
opinion.<BR><BR>2) The police presence in <U></U>Oakland<U></U> was more
overwhelming than anything I've ever seen, including during Vietnam War
protests in <U></U><U></U>Berkeley<U></U><U></U> in the '70s. I don't know
what if anything happened to spark the use of tear gas and stun grenades,
but they were clearly primed for that. I think that overall the strategists
for <U></U>US<U></U> capitalism are watching events such as those in
<U></U>Greece<U></U> and know that sooner or later there will be riots in
the <U></U><U></U>US<U></U><U></U> and they are practicing for that. The
night before last was such a
practice.<BR><BR>John</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P></DIV></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Wed,
Oct 26, 2011 at 8:44 AM, John Reimann <<A
href="mailto:1999wildcat@gmail.com"
target=_blank>1999wildcat@gmail.com</A>>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3
face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks
for the notes. When you're part of a movement and some in the movement
decide to subject themselves to arrest, it's a very difficult thing to
decide not to do so. In retrospect, I think I did the right thing based on
one fact: All the "non political" young black guys I know did not get
arrested. I think they saw that it was not matter of principle. I had lost
track of them in the minutes and seconds leading up to the blitz krieg,
but if they had been arrested I'd have felt very bad not going with them.
The fact that we were more or less on the same page says something, in my
opinion.<BR><BR>Yes, feel free to pass this around, but within limits. I'm
still trying to work with this young anarchist crowd, although I'm
becoming less optimistic about the possibilities
there.<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#888888><SPAN
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Oct 26, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Julian Silverman <<A
href="mailto:jsilverman@btinternet.com"
target=_blank>jsilverman@btinternet.com</A>>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3
face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I agree
with Tariq. Keep writing about all this. With your permission I will show
this to our anti-cuts people....it offers valuable
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</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></P><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">So here's what's happened in the last 24 hours:</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U></U> <U></U></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">It was clear early yesterday morning (around 3:00 a.m.) that the cops were</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">massing and a police invasion was imminent. The occupiers started erecting</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">"barricades" of wooden shipping pallets, trash cans, etc. around the</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">occupied zone. Most of them - the young anarchists - also fashioned</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">bandannas to hide their faces. People rushing around in the dark,</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U></U> <U></U></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">rearranging barricades, their faces partially obscured. Almost all got</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U></U> <U></U></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">caught up in the emotions of the moment. This included me to an extent,</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U></U> <U></U></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">which is how I knew that others were also being caught up in the emotions.</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U></U> <U></U></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">It was extremely tense. I started walking around asking people what they</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">were intending to do and whether fighting the cops really was wise. I</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">expressed my view that there were only two instances where I thought one</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">should fight them: If you simply have no other choice or if you think you</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">can win. People agreed, but seemed reluctant to break the general flow.</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">In other words, there was not general and conscious plan.</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">At one point, a young black guy got into a loud shouting match with one of</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">the young white anarchists. "Y'all aren't serious!" he shouted. He attacked</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">them for their bandannas, saying this would just provoke the cops. Much of</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">what he said was right, but his way of presenting it was wrong.</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U></U> <U></U></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">(Interestingly, I kept waiting for him to attack them for being white and</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U></U> <U></U></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">not knowing about the cops, but he never did that.) I was standing some 20</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U></U> <U></U></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">feet away, just observing. I don't know why, but after several minutes he</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U></U> <U></U></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">came over to me and started talking. I told him I agreed but that we were</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U></U> <U></U></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">all under a lot of stress and it was important not to add to the stress. He</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U></U> <U></U></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">immediately calmed down and we had a great conversation. I ran into him</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U></U> <U></U></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">several times later in the day and now we're best buddies.</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The cops arrived in a blitzkrieg and nearly surrounded the square literally</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">in a matter of seconds. I have never seen such a massive show of force and I</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">immediately decided that it was best to vacate the premises as quickly as</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">possible. I and quite a few others found a corner of the square that wasn't</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">blocked off and got out. We were quickly driven up the street to at least a</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">block away. From that vantage point we saw all the police forces from the</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">surrounding towns arriving. This included what looked like armored personnel</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">carriers.</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I wasn't able to see it, but the reports were that the cops used tear gas</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">and percussion grenades before driving in and arresting those who refused to</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">leave or couldn't get out in time. There is a report of one person with a</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">broken hand.</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Unfortunately, there was no plan to immediately regroup somewhere nearby so</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">everybody more or less scattered. With the concentration of cops in the</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">square, it would not have been all that difficult to conduct hit-and-run</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">occupations of nearby street intersections. Later that morning, I went down</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">to the other park that had been occupied. There were a few people - former</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">occupiers - still there. There was also a clean-up crew from the City of</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><U></U><U></U><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Oakland</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black">. I went over to them and gave a little speech about how their</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">pensions, etc. were under attack and how our occupation was also for them.</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">This was completely unplanned and in retrospect I think I should have also</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">commented that we know that in the past we, union members, have been too</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">passive in allowing a select few to run our unions and how we can't afford</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">to do that anymore and from there commented that we need to join together,</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">that there should be a strike of all City of <U></U><U></U>Oakland<U></U><U></U> workers against what</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">just happened and against the cuts in city workers wages and benefits.</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Instead, as planned, we regrouped at 4:00 p.m. There were well over a 1,000</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">people there and the mood was very angry. Several speeches were given. I had</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">met prior to the protest with some of the "insiders" who are the real</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">leadership of this thing. I proposed to them that we go to the City workers</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">the next day and start to make the links. Everybody nodded wisely and then</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">the meeting proceeded.</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The rally and march was something of a let-down. At one point, a few cops</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">got into a scuffle with the crowd. They had arrested a couple of people, for</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">what reason i don't know. Some people spray painted the cops and things got</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">pretty ugly. The cops started shooting off tear gas and the crowd retreated.</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The rest was simply a let down. The crowd marching from one point to</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">another, now confronting a line of cops, then retreating to march elsewhere.</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I finally went home, but reports on the news showed a crowd of maybe 3-400</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">continuning on until late into the night.</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U></U> <U></U></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Something has changed, and there were some huge opportunities here -</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">especially to link up with the City workers. It hasn't been done, and it may</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">be too late for now, but it will inevitably happen. This evening there is to</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">be a march of parents opposed to the closing of some schools and the</SPAN></FONT><U></U><U></U></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT color=black size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">occupiers will be participating. 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