<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><a href="http://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/Ron%2520Paul">http://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/Ron%20Paul</a><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Nov 28, 2011, at 5:13 PM, E. Wayne Johnson wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>The people are mostly sheep who feel it is their patriotic duty<br>as good citizens to go along so that they can get along.<br><br>This is what we call the Hind Lick Manoeuvre.<br><br>"Speak your mind, even if your air waves are obstructed."<br><br>On 11/29/2011 1:51 AM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">It's not confusion: it's etymology. (Didn't this come up once before on this list, back in Little-Bush-time?)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The root of geheim (adj. = secret) is Heim (n. = home); cf. the synonym heimlich (adj. = concealed, hidden, in secret).<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">From the same root, unheimlich (adj. = uncanny) has connotations of “weird, eerie” as in Freud's 1919 essay "Das Unheimliche," where he argues "that social taboo often yields an aura not only of pious reverence but even more so of horror and even disgust, as the taboo state of an item gives rise to the commonplace assumption that that which is hidden from public eye must be a dangerous threat and even an abomination ... the Uncanny is what unconsciously reminds us of ... our forbidden and thus repressed impulses perceived as a threatening force .... Thus, the items and individuals that we project our own repressed impulses upon become a most uncanny threat to us, uncanny monsters and freaks akin to fairy-tale folk-devils, and subsequently often become scapegoats we blame for all sorts of perceived miseries, calamities, and maladies" - like terrorists, communists, anarchists - or the working-class "fuer sich."<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Freud continues, "What interests us most in this long extract is to find that among its different shades of meaning the word heimlich exhibits one which is identical with its opposite, unheimlich. What is heimlich thus comes to be unheimlich. [...] In general we are reminded that the word heimlich is not unambiguous, but belongs to two sets of ideas, which, without being contradictory, are yet very different: on the one hand it means what is familiar and agreeable, and on the other, what is concealed and kept out of sight. Unheimlich is customarily used, we are told, as the contrary only of the first signification of heimlich, and not of the second. [...] On the other hand, we notice that Schelling says something which throws quite a new light on the concept of the Unheimlich, for which we were certainly not prepared. According to him, everything is unheimlich that ought to have remained secret and hidden but has come to light."<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">"Heim (home) is 'the realm of the familiar' - where you are safe and secure ... Geheimnis (secret) [has] this etymological idea that home is where you have privacy, where you can protect your secrets from the outside. Relatedly, heimlich means 'secretive' ... there are two strong contrasting connotations at play here - the friendly, comforting association with home, and the idea of secrets and isolation."<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">As Steven Wagner said in another context, a Heimlich maneuver...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The two notions are suggested by the operations of the Department of Homeland Security and the Geheime Staatspolizei: under Obama, they're working to live up to their name.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">But of course we've had federal secret political police in America for generations, keeping the homeland secure by stealth - the FBI (white-washed apparently in Clint Eastwood's new film - "Anonymous" is far better history). --CGE<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Nov 28, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Ricky Baldwin wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">It was a creepy name from the beginning, and an even creepier idea. The whole USA Patriot Act and related system needs dismantling. Shame on Bush, shame on Congress, and shame on Obama, for setting it up in the first place and then for not shredding it by now. It's also not the only form of police state we experience -- as we notice in the local papers of late.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">But (p.s.) there's an easy confusion here between "heim-," which means "home" as in "Heimat" ("homeland"), and "geheime," which means "secret," in the full name of the infamous Nazi Gestapo. It could be that whoever coined the name "Homeland Security" for our own US police state agency thought it was a clever pun, or that their German just wasn't very good, but we can't actually translate "Homeland Security" as "Geheime Staatspolizei." The US system of totalitarianism -- or "inverted totalitarianism" as someone called it -- is also more sophisticated in my opinion and I believe enjoys more support in the population than the Nazi/fascist systems (although we do tend to underestimate how sophisticated they were, and how much support they did enjoy at the time).<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Ricky Baldwin<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">"Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">From: Carl G. Estabrook <<a href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">galliher@illinois.edu</a>><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">To: Peace-discuss List <<a href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 9:21 AM<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Subject: [Peace-discuss] DHS Gestapo<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">"Homeland Security" in German could be Geheime Staatspolizei: under Obama, they're working to live up to that name.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/nov/25/shocking-truth-about-crackdown-occupy">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/nov/25/shocking-truth-about-crackdown-occupy</a> <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">________________</blockquote></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>