<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Comment from an onlooker:</div><div><br></div>"Workers of the world unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains"…An old friend of mind substituted the word "change" for chains.)<div><br></div><div>Life gets meaning with hope.</div><div><br><div>--mkb</div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 21, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Laurie Solomon wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div>>Discussion of a general strike: </div>
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<div>><a href="http://www.occupymay1st.org/"><font color="#0066cc">http://www.occupymay1st.org/</font></a></div>
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<div>Checked out the link; but have to wonder why is the discussion about only a
single day of General Strike and why about asking the world to engage in
it. Why not a General strike until the demands are met, the policies
reversed, and the proponents removed from office? Namely, the setting of
no time limits for the strike. Who is being asked to strike against
whom. Is the call for those in other countries to strike against
purchasing American goods and services, against American companies operating in
and out of their home country and/or against the non-domestic operations of
American companies, against their respective countries and or their own
domestic companies doing business with the American Government and US
corporations, or some combination of these? What is being asked of the
American public in terms of a General Strike here in the US against US
corporations, governmental agencies and operations, and business as usual –
i.e., what actions are being proposed and are expected to be undertaken?
Will the US public be asked to close down transportation and communications
facilities, businesses, financial operations and processes and for how long and
under what conditions or in face of what opposition?</div>
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<div>>The 1% work hard in our sham democracy to make Goldman's words a fact,
but human systems are rarely complete. </div>
<div>The notion of the 1% being responsible is a convenient excuse when it comes
to American Society. It tends to be the 1 % plus a very large percentage
of the 99% who only look to their specific self-interests; who value beliefs in
capitalism, free enterprise, competition, the American Way, ritualism of all
kinds including economic and political; who do not want to get involved or
be bothered with getting involved and participating (namely who view life in
society as a spectator sport to be observed and entertained by); and those who
are to lazy, ignorant, or fearful to do any independent questioning about
and research into what they are told, hear, or see both in and out of the
media.</div>
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<div>>Sometimes the unexpected can open a seam even in our voting system (the
Ron Paul campaign), try as the government & media might to seal it. </div>
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<div>Yes maybe; but in the US it is rare enough to be a fantasy that serves as
grounds for false hope among the optimists. Those cracks you seem to see
and rely on are neither very wide nor very deep; they typically are superficial
and not very long lasting. One only has to ask how long did the cracks in
the seams created by the Great Depression or the 1960s civil rights and anti-war
movements last and who much did they actually change anything? What
accomplishments and progressive changes that took place were for the most
part either reversed or abandoned at a later date by future players with the
active and passive support of a majority of the public. As the
French say, “the more things change, the more they stay the same.”
You – like many – seem to be caught up in a Candide-like optimism that keeps you
motivated despite historic experience. Maybe if progressives were more
fatalistic, they would be more aggressive and more adventuresome in their
actions and attacks on the establishment because then they would have nothing to
fear regarding losing perceived superficial gains or valued elements of their
contemporary situations and everything to possibly gain by taking risks.
Being optimistic and holding on to hope about possible future change appears to
result in their being unwilling to risk what they have now and to their being
very cautious and moderate in what they seek and what they do in the present
because they may place a obstacles in the way of the one in a million chance in
the far future.</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="cge@shout.net" href="mailto:cge@shout.net">C. G. Estabrook</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> March 21, 2012 2:14 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="ls1000@live.com" href="mailto:ls1000@live.com">Laurie
Solomon</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss</a> ; <a title="sf-core@yahoogroups.com" href="mailto:sf-core@yahoogroups.com">sf-core</a>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Peace-discuss] [sf-core] Re: Fwd: Take the Pledge
ofResistance to War on Iran</div></div></div>
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<div style="FONT-STYLE: normal;FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri';COLOR: #000000;FONT-SIZE: small;FONT-WEIGHT: normal;TEXT-DECORATION: none;">"Two,
three, many Vietnams...," as someone once said.
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<div>The 1% work hard in our sham democracy to make Goldman's words a fact, but
human systems are rarely complete. </div>
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<div>Sometimes the unexpected can open a seam even in our voting system (the Ron
Paul campaign), try as the government & media might to seal it. </div>
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<div>But you're undoubtedly right that the reversal of Obama's military and
economic policies will come only from extra-parliamentary opposition (cf.
Johnson & Nixon).</div>
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<div>Discussion of a general strike: </div>
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<div><<a href="http://www.occupymay1st.org/">http://www.occupymay1st.org/</a>>.</div>
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<div>--CGE</div>
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<div>Of course, if you took Emma Goldman’s remarks, quoted by you, seriously,
then by implication, one has to logically wonder why you are so concerned
and/or involved in the electoral process and who is running for what, what
their positions are, and who people should vote for? I fail to see how
taking a pledge is anything more than another symbolic way of protesting
similar to demonstrations, slogan spouting, sign waving, article writing, or
the like; I also fail to see how you think that it will be any more
effective. </div>
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<div>I would think a general strike which shuts down the country and prevents
doing business as usual would be much more effective than signing a petition
or taking a pledge; but we all know that that will not happen in the US
because - despite all the claims to the contrary - a majority of the
population supports the establishment and its policies and positions as long
as it does not directly impact on them and their lives and
livelihood. There are even some who think it is a good thing to
jeopardize the lives, health, and physical well-being of their children and
spouses as well as themselves in the name and service of patriotism, god and
country, moral values, etc. (the better dead than red culture). Those
who do not actively support the establishment and its policies and practices
are unwilling to actively take actions in opposition which could put
themselves in jeopardy. There will be no American Spring in the form
which has taken hold in the rest of the world where people are willing to risk
everything to bring about change; there will only be more talk and discussion,
more media events, and more symbolic protests where the majority of protesters
seek to be responsible and respectable and acceptable to the
establishment and perfectly willing to cast aside, point out, and
condemn those among them who take any sort of effective actions.
Unfortunately, some of those who do engage in more effective actions tend to
do it either as agent provocateurs for the establishment or as persons on ego
trips concerned with their own self interests rather than from a real
concern for achieving the collective goals or the purposes of the movement
they claim to represent.</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="cge@shout.net" href="mailto:cge@shout.net">C. G.
Estabrook</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> March 21, 2012 7:23 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="peace@lists.chambana.net" href="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net">peace</a> ; <a title="Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss List</a> </div>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Take the Pledge of Resistance to War
on Iran</div></div></div>
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<div>The Obama administration and the mayor of New York made clear the other
night how they intend to put down any opposition to their military and
economic policies this year. They're using police-state tactics to insure that
'politics' be confined to the farcical presidential election. "If voting could
change things it would be illegal," said Emma Goldman during the WWI
crackdown. This administration is brutalizing people to be sure that
extra-parliamentary methods won't work either. Here's a way to resist.</div>
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<blockquote type="cite"><p><a href="http://warisacrime.org/">WarIsACrime.org</a></p>
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<h2>Take the Pledge of Resistance to War on Iran</h2><p class="p1"><b>On the anniversary of Shock and Awe in Iraq, it's time to
stop the next war now: Take the Iran Pledge of Resistance</b></p><p class="p1"><b>The </b><a href="http://www.iranpledge.org/"><span class="s1"><b>Iran Pledge of Resistance (IPOR)</b></span></a><b><b> is a
coordinated grassroots campaign to build an emergency response network
capable of preempting any escalated U.S. intervention in Iran or the Middle
East.</b></b></p><b><p class="p1">Over the past few months there has been escalating talk about
the possibility of a U.S. war with Iran. Israel, the U.S.'s closest ally in
the region, is threatening attacks which could pull us into war. President
Obama and the Republican presidential candidates are saying that "all
options are on the table" to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon.
This is despite the fact that top U.S. intelligence officials have made
consistent statements that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program nor
is there proof they intend to establish one.</p><p class="p1"><b>Let's stop this war before it starts. </b></p><p class="p1">On Feb 15, 2003 millions of people marched against war in
Iraq. What if millions of us again join together to say no to war, but
this time organize a mass horizontal direct action network?</p></b><p class="p2"><b><span class="s2"></span></b><a href="http://www.iranpledge.org/pledge/"><b>Take the Pledge</b></a></p><b><p class="p1"><b><i>"If the United States applies increased sanctions,
invades, bombs, sends combat troops or drones, or otherwise significantly
escalates its intervention in Iran or the region directly or through support
of its allies, I pledge to join with others to engage in acts of legal
protest and/or nonviolent civil disobedience to prevent or halt the death
and destruction which U.S. military actions would cause to the people of
Iran, the Middle East, our communities at home, and the planet
itself."</i></b></p><p class="p1"><b>By signing the pledge you will be connecting with 100,000s of
others who are receiving this email; but signing up is just the first step.
This will only be effective if we organize at the grassroots level.</b>
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engage in emergency response. The structure of the Iran Pledge of
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up will lead to local spokes councils and coordinating bodies. Those spokes
councils will be part of the national conversation to figure out next steps,
plan days of actions and much more. Now is your chance to take the first
step. Go to <a href="http://iranpledge.org/"><span class="s1">iranpledge.org</span></a> to take the pledge now.</p></b><p class="p1"><b><b>Working together, we can be a powerful force that can
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border: 1px solid #666666;
height: 62px;
overflow: hidden;
width: 62px;
}
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color: #666666;
font-size: 10px;
overflow: hidden;
text-align: center;
white-space: nowrap;
width: 64px;
}
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font-size: 77%;
}
#reco-desc {
font-size: 77%;
}
.replbq {
margin: 4px;
}
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/* border-right: 0px solid #000;*/
margin-right: 2px;
padding-right: 5px;
}
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font-size: 13px;
font-family: Arial, helvetica,clean, sans-serif;
*font-size: small;
*font: x-small;
}
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font-size: inherit;
font: 100%;
}
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font: 99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;
}
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font:115% monospace;
*font-size:100%;
}
#ygrp-mlmsg * {
line-height: 1.22em;
}
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padding-bottom: 10px;
}
#ygrp-mlmsg a {
color: #1E66AE;
}
#ygrp-msg p a {
font-family: Verdana;
}
#ygrp-msg p#attach-count span {
color: #1E66AE;
font-weight: 700;
}
#ygrp-reco #reco-head {
color: #ff7900;
font-weight: 700;
}
#ygrp-reco {
margin-bottom: 20px;
padding: 0px;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov li a {
font-size: 130%;
text-decoration: none;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov li {
font-size: 77%;
list-style-type: square;
padding: 6px 0;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov ul {
margin: 0;
padding: 0 0 0 8px;
}
#ygrp-text {
font-family: Georgia;
}
#ygrp-text p {
margin: 0 0 1em 0;
}
#ygrp-text tt {
font-size: 120%;
}
#ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {
border-right: none !important;
}
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