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Tamms should be phased out quickly as well as most of Illinois's
massive prison system.<br>
<br>
We should all be able to agree that there is very little merit in
incarcerating people for <br>
minor infractions of questionable laws. There are people imprisoned in
Illinois for <br>
actions that really don't merit incarceration.<br>
<br>
The penal system in Illinois is a big business and it is time that it
be choked back as it<br>
is harming the society through its actions and its high cost of
operation.<br>
<br>
The people should be calling for a scrutinization of what appears to be
cruel and unusual punishment.<br>
Cruel punishment may have become less and less unusual but that is an
indication of <br>
how bad things have become.<br>
<br>
Maybe the prisons should just be torn down to the ground, but perhaps
they could<br>
be but to some useful purpose as retreats or teaching centers or public
spaces<br>
like libraries, gymnasiums, etc.<br>
<br>
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On 5/14/2012 7:50 AM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:92AA057C-9DB0-4585-90CA-48FF943B010E@illinois.edu"
type="cite">So what should be done? What should Illinois citizens be
pushing for?
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<div>On May 13, 2012, at 6:35 PM, E. Wayne Johnson wrote:</div>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> Tamms is in an economically
depressed area with little industry other than agriculture<br>
and agriculture employs very few people. <br>
<br>
Illinois does not provide an environment<br>
conducive to industrial employment and business development, so it is
quite unlikely<br>
that any new employer will come into the area. The general policy and
theme for the past 20 years has been<br>
that "you won't make Widgets in southern Illinois".<br>
<br>
So if you close Tamms prison you will put people out of work, and you
will put them out of work rather permanently, <br>
which will raise significant opposition against your principled cry
against incarceration, torture, <br>
the Police state, and the legal-law enforcement-penal industrial
complex of authoritarian worms.<br>
<br>
You may be doing the right thing in one sense, but you will be creating
another<br>
problem in damaging the commensal/co-parasitic relationship between Big
Brother<br>
and the impoverished Tamms area.<br>
<br>
You can de-worm the horse and kill all the worms almost instantly. But
the<br>
if the infestation is heavy, the gut will look like hamburger after the
worms detach and <br>
the sudden removal of the worms may likely<br>
result in the sudden demise of the parasite's host.<br>
<br>
Likewise, closure of Tamms will decimate the local economy. We can
agree<br>
that the idea of prisons sucked from the beginning. But the inmates
are not the <br>
only ones in prison.<br>
<br>
<br>
On 5/14/2012 6:36 AM, Stuart Levy wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:4FB0375C.2000302@illinois.edu" type="cite">
Yes! AWARE just voted that we would be happy to be on the list of
groups that support closure of TAMMS.<br>
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On 5/13/12 2:09 PM, Barbara kessel wrote:
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cite="mid:CAEio6CuS6zdZm=8arUEkZHUGMWvfhQecah-1Ki-MmOXDSSe60g@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite"> Here is the list I asked you to add AWARE on to at your
meeting tonight. the list will go to Governor Q on Tuesday morning.
<div>Thanks, Barbara<br>
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From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Barbara kessel</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:barkes@gmail.com">barkes@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:13 AM<br>
Subject: Could we agree by e-mail to add the Interfaith Alliance?<br>
To: Conrad Wetzel <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:wetzelmc@hotmail.com">wetzelmc@hotmail.com</a>>, Nancy
Stagg <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsstagg@sbcglobal.net">nsstagg@sbcglobal.net</a>>,
"Rev. Vanessa Buchanan" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Rev.v.Buchanan@gmail.com">Rev.v.Buchanan@gmail.com</a>>,
Eric Jakobsson <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jake@ncsa.illinois.edu">jake@ncsa.illinois.edu</a>>,
"Rev. Underwood" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kingjames5804@att.net">kingjames5804@att.net</a>>,
Patsy Howell <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ummtamala@yahoo.com">ummtamala@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Cc: Laurie Jo Reynolds <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:lauriejoreynolds@gmail.com">lauriejoreynolds@gmail.com</a>><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
From: <b class="gmail_sendername">LJ Reynolds</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lauriejoreynolds@gmail.com"
target="_blank">lauriejoreynolds@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:16 AM<br>
Subject: Fwd: list of organizations that support closure<br>
To: barbara kessel <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:barkes@gmail.com" target="_blank">barkes@gmail.com</a>><br>
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<br>
Hi Barbara,<br>
We are in Springfield now. We are going to give legislators and the
governor a list of organizations that support the closure of Tamms.
Maybe not today, but soon. I'm adding some organizations to the fact
sheet.<br>
<br>
What organizations that you are part of may we add to the list?<br>
Or maybe you know of others?<br>
<br>
I will send the revised fact sheet soon.<br>
<br>
<br>
LJR<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:773-505-3896"
value="+17735053896" target="_blank">773-505-3896</a><br>
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<br>
<br>
Organizations that support Tamms closure<br>
<br>
ACLU of Illinois<br>
ACLU Prison Project<br>
Amnesty International<br>
Amnesty International Midwest Regional Office<br>
Bluhm Legal Clinic, Northwestern University School of Law<br>
Chicago Alliance Against Racist and Political Repression<br>
Human Rights Watch<br>
Illinois Coalition Against Torture<br>
John Howard Association of Illinois<br>
Mental Health America of Illinois<br>
Mental Health Summit<br>
Midwest Coalition for Human Rights<br>
National Lawyers Guild of Chicago<br>
National Religious Campaign Against Torture<br>
Uptown People's Law Center<br>
Tamms Year Ten<br>
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