<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Wow, you've been paying attn to- and remembering my posts!! <br><br>--- On <b>Thu, 5/31/12, David Johnson <i><dlj725@hughes.net></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: David Johnson <dlj725@hughes.net><br>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and tellher what information you want from us so you can be aninformed voter. Today at noon online<br>To: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net>, "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13@yahoo.com><br>Date: Thursday, May 31, 2012, 8:15 PM<br><br><div id="yiv1907368149">

 
 
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<div><font face="Arial">What makes you think Gore would not have attacked Iraq 
?</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Go look at the roll call vote of the dems who supported 
the invasion.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">If it wasn't Allito and Roberts appointed, it would have 
been some other corporate hacks who would have been equally as bad.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">But Jenifer,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Let's stop for a moment and look at this current situation 
we are in logically based on the facts.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">From what I have seen from your postings, you are 
;</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">1) A supporter of Bradley Manning and Julian 
Assagne</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">2) You are opposed to the drone wars and extrajudicial 
murders</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">3) You are a retired Union Public School Teacher who 
believs in a strong Public Education system and decent Union salaries and 
benefits for current Teachers and the School Support Staff.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">4) You believe in Universal Health Care for 
all</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">5) You are in favor of free or at the very least cheap 
Higher Education.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">6) You support Social Security</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">7) You are opposed to the continued occupations of Iraq 
and Afganistan.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Am I wrong on any of these assumptions ?</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">David J.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
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  <div style="FONT:10pt arial;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
  <div style="FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4;"><b>From:</b> 
  <a rel="nofollow" title="jencart13@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=jencart13@yahoo.com">Jenifer 
  Cartwright</a> </div>
  <div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="dlj725@hughes.net" ymailto="mailto:dlj725@hughes.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=dlj725@hughes.net">David Johnson</a> </div>
  <div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:03 
  AM</div>
  <div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment 
  to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over 
  lunch and tellher what information you want from us so you can be aninformed 
  voter. Today at noon online</div>
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      <td valign="top">So.... Gore would have attacked Iraq... and then 
        appointed Roberts and Alito?? <br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 5/30/12, David 
        Johnson <i><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dlj725@hughes.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=dlj725@hughes.net">dlj725@hughes.net</a>></i></b> 
        wrote:<br>
        <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;"><br>From: 
          David Johnson <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dlj725@hughes.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=dlj725@hughes.net">dlj725@hughes.net</a>><br>Subject: 
          Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with 
          IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and tellher 
          what information you want from us so you can be aninformed voter. 
          Today at noon online<br>To: "Jenifer Cartwright" 
          <jencart13@yahoo.com><br>Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2012, 10:40 
          PM<br><br>
          <div id="yiv1907368149">
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          <div><strong><font face="Arial">Wikipedia is NOT a reliable 
          source.</font></strong></div>
          <div><strong><font face="Arial">It is a series of postings by various 
          individuals and unless it is challenged it stays 
          posted.</font></strong></div>
          <div><strong><font face="Arial"></font></strong> </div>
          <div><strong><font face="Arial">Read Greg Pallast's story about the vote 
          fraud in Florida.</font></strong></div>
          <div><strong><font face="Arial">Gore won Florida and the 
          Presidency.</font></strong></div>
          <div><strong><font face="Arial"></font></strong> </div>
          <div><strong><font face="Arial">But regardless, I still would have voted 
          for Nader, because Al Gore  is the one along with Clinton 
          who brought us ;</font></strong></div>
          <div><strong><font face="Arial">NAFTA, the WTO treaty, GATT, the 
          elimination of the Glass Stiegel ( sp.) act, and the begining of the 
          loss of habeeous corpus rights in the U.S..</font></strong></div>
          <div><strong><font face="Arial">Both Gore and Bush worked for the 
          same corporate masters, and there was no difference between the two, 
          as is there is no difference in the policies between Obama and 
          Bush.</font></strong></div>
          <div><strong><font face="Arial"></font></strong> </div>
          <div><strong><font face="Arial">My point is the same Jenifer, it is NOT 
          good democrats and bad republicans, it is the corporate money that has 
          bought both parties.</font></strong></div>
          <div><strong><font face="Arial">It is we the people against the 
          corporate interests, regardless of what party label they 
          wear.</font></strong></div>
          <div><strong><font face="Arial">Until we stop voting for candidates who 
          take corporate money, NOTHING will change for the 
          better.</font></strong></div>
          <div><strong><font face="Arial"></font></strong> </div>
          <div><strong><font face="Arial">David J.</font></strong></div>
          <div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
          <div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
          <div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
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            <div style="FONT:10pt arial;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
            <div style="FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4;"><b>From:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="jencart13@yahoo.com">Jenifer Cartwright</a> </div>
            <div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss 
            List</a> ; <a rel="nofollow" title="dlj725@hughes.net">David Johnson</a> </div>
            <div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 30, 2012 
            9:31 PM</div>
            <div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Peace-discuss] my 
            comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie 
            Kranich today over lunch and tellher what information you want from 
            us so you can be aninformed voter. Today at noon online</div>
            <div><br></div>
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                <td valign="top">From Wikipedia: 
                  <div><b><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:19px;BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(255,255,255);FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;">"Many 
                  Democrats blame third party candidate </span><a rel="nofollow" style="BACKGROUND-IMAGE:none;LINE-HEIGHT:19px;BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(255,255,255);FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(11,0,128);TEXT-DECORATION:none;" title="Ralph Nader" target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Nader">Ralph Nader</a><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:19px;BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(255,255,255);FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;">, 
                  claiming he </span><a rel="nofollow" style="BACKGROUND-IMAGE:none;LINE-HEIGHT:19px;BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(255,255,255);FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(11,0,128);TEXT-DECORATION:none;" title="Vote splitting" target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vote_splitting">split votes</a><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:19px;BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(255,255,255);FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;"> with 
                  Gore. Nader received 97,000 votes in Florida (for comparison, 
                  there were 111,251 </span><a rel="nofollow" style="BACKGROUND-IMAGE:none;LINE-HEIGHT:19px;BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(255,255,255);FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(11,0,128);TEXT-DECORATION:none;" class="yiv1907368149mw-redirect" title="Overvotes" target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overvotes">overvotes</a><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:19px;BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(255,255,255);FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;">).</span><sup style="LINE-HEIGHT:1em;BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(255,255,255);FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;" id="yiv1907368149cite_ref-63" class="yiv1907368149reference"><a rel="nofollow" style="BACKGROUND-IMAGE:none;WHITE-SPACE:nowrap;COLOR:rgb(11,0,128);TEXT-DECORATION:none;" target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2000#cite_note-63">[64]</a></sup><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:19px;BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(255,255,255);FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;"> Additionally, 
                  Nader received 22,000 votes in New Hampshire, where Bush beat 
                  Gore by 7,000 votes. Either state would have won the election 
                  for Gore." </span> </b></div>
                  <div>The whole entry is at <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2000">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2000</a> 
                  <br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 5/30/12, David Johnson 
                  <i><dlj725@hughes.net></i></b> wrote:<br>
                  <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;"><br>From: 
                    David Johnson <dlj725@hughes.net><br>Subject: Re: 
                    [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with 
                    IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch 
                    and tellher what information you want from us so you can be 
                    aninformed voter. Today at noon online<br>To: "Peace-discuss 
                    List" <peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net>, "Jenifer 
                    Cartwright" <jencart13@yahoo.com><br>Date: Wednesday, 
                    May 30, 2012, 6:58 PM<br><br>
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                    <div><strong><font face="Arial">Jenifer,</font></strong></div>
                    <div><strong><font face="Arial"></font></strong> </div>
                    <div><strong><font face="Arial">With all due respect, you are 
                    horribly misinformed.</font></strong></div>
                    <div><strong><font face="Arial"></font></strong> </div>
                    <div><strong><font face="Arial">Start with Greg Pallast's 
                    reporting ( the freelance reporter who broke the story and 
                    offered it to CBS and later the rest of the corporate media 
                    and they refused to cover it until Salon.com broke the 
                    story, then they only covered it superficialy. 
                    )</font></strong></div>
                    <div><strong><font face="Arial"></font></strong> </div>
                    <div><strong><font face="Arial">Then see <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.blackboxvoting.org">www.blackboxvoting.org</a> 
                    </font></strong></div>
                    <div><strong><font face="Arial"></font></strong> </div>
                    <div><strong><font face="Arial">Maybe some others on the list 
                    can suggest some other sources.</font></strong></div>
                    <div><strong><font face="Arial"></font></strong> </div>
                    <div><strong><font face="Arial">David J.</font></strong></div>
                    <div><strong><font face="Arial"></font></strong> </div>
                    <div><strong><font face="Arial"></font></strong> </div>
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                      <div style="FONT:10pt arial;">----- Original Message ----- 
                      </div>
                      <div style="FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4;"><b>From:</b> 
                      <a rel="nofollow" title="jencart13@yahoo.com">Jenifer 
                      Cartwright</a> </div>
                      <div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="dlj725@hughes.net">David Johnson</a> 
                      </div>
                      <div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 
                      30, 2012 2:38 PM</div>
                      <div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: 
                      [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with 
                      IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch 
                      and tellher what information you want from us so you can 
                      be aninformed voter. Today at noon online</div>
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                          <td valign="top">Uh... as I understand it, the FL 
                            debacle wouldn't have made any difference if the 
                            Nader folks had voted against Bush. <br><br>--- 
                            On <b>Tue, 5/29/12, David Johnson <i><<a rel="nofollow">dlj725@hughes.net</a>></i></b> 
                            wrote:<br>
                            <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;"><br>From: 
                              David Johnson <<a rel="nofollow">dlj725@hughes.net</a>><br>Subject: 
                              Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: 
                              Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich 
                              today over lunch and tellher what information you 
                              want from us so you can be aninformed voter. Today 
                              at noon online<br>To: "Peace-discuss List" 
                              <peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net>, "Jenifer 
                              Cartwright" <jencart13@yahoo.com><br>Date: 
                              Tuesday, May 29, 2012, 9:16 PM<br><br>
                              <div id="yiv1907368149">
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                              <div>
                              <div>" Look what those Nader votes bro't: "</div>
                              <div> </div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial">Here we go 
                              again,</font></div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial">You still don't get 
                              it do you ?</font></div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial">It was NOT the votes 
                              for Nader that brought Bush and Alito et al, 
                              </font></div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial">But instead the 
                              STOLEN 2000 election that your boy Al 
                              Gore and the corporate democratic party did 
                              NOTHING about !</font></div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial">No call for mass 
                              protests and general strikes, which is what 
                              happens in REAL democracies when an election is 
                              stolen by fraud, but instead a half ass court 
                              case that was not even appealed. And then blame 
                              Nader. The easy way out and simaltaneously a 
                              distraction. Brought to you by the corporate 
                              controlled DNC ( Democratic National Commitee 
                              ).</font></div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial">I am PROUD that I 
                              voted for Nader and I REFUSE to buy into the two 
                              party shellgame that you advocate.</font></div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial">I want REAL change, 
                              not phoney rhetoric.</font></div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial">The last democratic I 
                              voted for and SUPPORTED at the national level 
                              was Dennis Kucinich, and look what the DNC did to 
                              him in collusion with the RNC.</font></div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial">Look where electing 
                              Obama and for a while a dem controlled House and 
                              Senate got us......  </font></div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial">No where but WORSE 
                              !</font></div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial">Remember Nancy Pelosi 
                              on election night 2006 when word came on the 
                              corporate media that the Dems had just taken 
                              control of both the House and Senate 
?</font></div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial">What were the first 
                              words out of her mouth.....</font></div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial">" Impeachment is off 
                              the table " !</font></div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial">Gee, kind of an odd 
                              statement from a leader of the so called " 
                              opposition " party. In most democracies in the 
                              world, the head of a REAL opposition political 
                              party would have called for the IMMEDIATE 
                              formation of an impeachment hearing and the 
                              begining of reversing specific policies 
                              of the Bush crime family. </font></div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial">But not from Nancy 
                              and the dems, their main priority was to protect 
                              one of their own ( the 1% ) even if he played on 
                              the other team.</font></div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial">Four years after 
                              electing Obama the same policies of the 1% 
                              are being impemented that Obama 
                              supports ; endless war, no public health 
                              care, attacks upon the standard of living of 
                              Working people, attempts to privatize social 
                              security and medicare, and the list goes on and on 
                              and on...!</font></div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial">There will NEVER be 
                              change for the better in this country unless one 
                              of three things happen :</font></div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial">1) Form a third party 
                              across the country whose main platform 
                              objective is to REFUSE ANY AND ALL CORPORATE 
                              MONEY and start with local elections, working 
                              up to state races and then on to national 
                              races</font></div>
                              <div> </div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial">2) Take over the 
                              democratic party and run candidates in the 
                              primaries who refuse to take CORPORATE MONEY, 
                              against the corporate backed candidates of the DNC 
                              and if they lose to the corporate backed 
                              candidates, REFUSE to back the corporate dem 
                              in the general election.</font></div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial">None of this 
                              " Oh but I must support the party's elected 
                              candidate ". </font></div>
                              <div> </div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial">3) Take over the 
                              republican party and do the same thing as 
                              above.</font> </div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial">So keep voting for 
                              those democrats and see where it gets us, more of 
                              the SAME bullshit !</font></div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial">David 
                              Johnson</font></div>
                              <div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
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                                <div style="FONT:10pt arial;">----- Original 
                                Message ----- </div>
                                <div style="FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4;"><b>From:</b> 
                                <a rel="nofollow" title="jencart13@yahoo.com">Jenifer Cartwright</a> </div>
                                <div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss List</a> ; <a rel="nofollow" title="kmedina67@gmail.com">Karen 
                                Medina</a> </div>
                                <div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> 
                                Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:06 PM</div>
                                <div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> 
                                Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: 
                                Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie 
                                Kranich today over lunch and tellher what 
                                information you want from us so you can be 
                                aninformed voter. Today at noon online</div>
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                                <td valign="top">Best is a relative term. Obama is 
                                definitely the far lesser of two evils. Surely 
                                you no NOT want Romney running things foreign 
                                and domestic... naming the next Supreme Court 
                                Justice(s)??? Look what those Nader votes bro't: 
                                Geo Bush and Roberts and Alito. Nuff 
                                said. <br><br>--- On <b>Fri, 5/25/12, Karen 
                                Medina <i><<a rel="nofollow">kmedina67@gmail.com</a>></i></b> 
                                wrote:<br>
                                <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;"><br>From: 
                                Karen Medina <<a rel="nofollow">kmedina67@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: 
                                Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: 
                                Chat with Illinois Public Media's Kimberlie 
                                Kranich today over lunch and tell her what 
                                information you want from us so you can be an 
                                informed voter. Today at noon online<br>To: 
                                "Peace-discuss List" 
                                <Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net><br>Date: 
                                Friday, May 25, 2012, 11:37 AM<br><br>
                                <div class="yiv1907368149plainMail">There is no 
                                "best" candidate to 
                                find.<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Peace-discuss 
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