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<DIV>The only problem I have with applying what you are asserting to what
Jenifer wrote is that it buys into the very same notion that the Supreme
Court bought into when they declared that corporations are people and have the
same rights as individual human beings, when the expenditure of moneys as an
instrument of rational persuasion for political and economic positions
philosophical points of view and or societal values is equated with speech
by individuals to articulate advocacies of positions, points of views, or
values, and when one considers all speech to be of equal currency on the face of
it without any regard for concrete empirical exigent circumstances. Speech
is not speech is speech is speech. Speech does have practical consequences
and intent. One cannot ignore that fact and come out with an abstract
standard or metric. Indeed, society sets restrictions on what is and what
is not acceptable speech for given concrete types or classes of situation and
sanctions those who violate those norms of behavior informally and formally via
institutionalized legal means and otherwise. It is not permissible to yell
fire in a crowded theater just for the sake of getting a reaction; just as it is
not permissible to verbally threaten people with physical violence to get them
to comply with one’s own personal desires and benefit without a good socially
justifiable rationale to support such action.</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=galliher@illinois.edu
href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">Carl G. Estabrook</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> June 02, 2012 1:41 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=jencart13@yahoo.com
href="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com">Jenifer Cartwright</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] peace demonstration this
comingSaturday, June 2 / 2pm-4pm</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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you don't believe in free speech for those you despise, you don't believe in it
at all.
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<DIV>"Prison for Obama.</DIV>
<DIV>Freedom & Peace Prizes </DIV>
<DIV>for Assange & Manning."</DIV>
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<DIV>On Jun 2, 2012, at 1:24 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV>Assange and Manning, YES!!!</DIV>
<DIV>Corporations, NO!!!<BR>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 5/31/12, Karen Medina <I><<A
href="mailto:kmedina67@gmail.com">kmedina67@gmail.com</A>></I></B>
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Karen Medina <<A
href="mailto:kmedina67@gmail.com">kmedina67@gmail.com</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [Peace] peace demonstration this coming Saturday, June 2 /
2pm-4pm<BR>To: "Jenifer Cartwright" <<A
href="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com">jencart13@yahoo.com</A>><BR>Cc:
"Peace-discuss" <<A
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</A>><BR>Date:
Thursday, May 31, 2012, 3:44 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=yiv1624578398>Jenifer,
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<DIV>If you came up with the wording for a sign in support of Assange,
I would be happy to make one. </DIV>
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<DIV>-karen medina<BR><BR>
<DIV class=yiv1624578398gmail_quote>On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:43 PM,
Jenifer Cartwright <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
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wrote:<BR>
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<TD vAlign=top>Terrible tho' not unexpected news today
(today's DN! will add to yr general depression about the state
of things, tho' it's all stuff we need to know and know more
about).
<DIV>Anyhow. pls add support for Assange to signs and flyers
to Saturday's demo.</DIV>
<DIV>(Took this off Peace and put it on Peace-discuss b/c it
seemed more than an announcement). <BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue,
5/29/12, Karen Medina <I><<A
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wrote:<BR>
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Karen Medina <<A
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rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:kmedina67@gmail.com">wlmailhtml:/mc/compose?to=kmedina67@gmail.com</A>><BR>Subject:
[Peace] peace demonstration this coming Saturday, June 2 /
2pm-4pm<BR>To: "Peace List" <<A
href="wlmailhtml:/mc/compose?to=peace@lists.chambana.net"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net">wlmailhtml:/mc/compose?to=peace@lists.chambana.net</A>><BR>Date:
Tuesday, May 29, 2012, 8:25 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV class=yiv1624578398h5>Dear Peace,<BR><BR>There is a
peace demonstration this Saturday, June 2nd, from 2pm to
4pm.<BR>The local Occupy will join us, and they sometimes
bring music.<BR><BR>Where? The corners of Neil Street and
Main Street in downtown Champaign.<BR>When? The first
Saturday of every month. June 2, 2012 is this
weekend.<BR>Time? From 2pm to 4pm.<BR><BR>If you
cannot make it, there are other things you can help us do.
Feel<BR>free to email me.<BR><BR>-karen
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<DIV> </DIV>-- <BR>-- karen medina<BR>"The really great make you
feel that you, too, can become great." - Mark
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