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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> C. G. Estabrook <cge@shout.net><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Gene Vanderport <lightport@sbcglobal.net><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> David Johnson <dlj725@hughes.net>; sf-core <sf-core@yahoogroups.com>; Peace-discuss <peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net>; occupycu@lists.chambana.net; JWJ C-U <centralILJwJ@yahoogroups.com>; William Bloomington Campbell <bill@campbellkording.com>; Bill Gorrell <laborer@mchsi.com>; Colm Mistéil <colmmisteil@gmail.com>; Dave Powers <pengdust@aol.com>; Jim Eyman <banjogramps@gmail.com>; Neil Parthun <lennybrucefan@gmail.com>; Ricky Baldwin <baldwinricky@yahoo.com>; stefen robinson <stefenrobinson@yahoo.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sun, July 1, 2012 7:41:20 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
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<P>Of course, Bismarck could have said the same thing about his social <BR>legislation of the 1880s, and no one doubts that it was done to dish <BR>the socialists...<BR><BR>There are later German examples.<BR><BR>The question is, is it a step in the right direction, or a careful <BR>attempt (that incidentally profits Wall St.) to prevent further steps <BR>in that direction?<BR><BR>The latter seems to me to be the case, and of course it would have to <BR>do some good to accomplish that.<BR><BR>--CGE<BR><BR>On Jul 1, 2012, at 7:28 PM, Gene Vanderport wrote:<BR><BR>> More people are insured b'c of this bill than there were insured <BR>> without it. It is a step in the right direction, if we use it <BR>> so.......<BR>><BR>> From: David Johnson <<A href="mailto:dlj725%40hughes.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:dlj725%40hughes.net">dlj725@hughes.net</A>><BR>> To: Gene Vanderport <<A
href="mailto:lightport%40sbcglobal.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:lightport%40sbcglobal.net">lightport@sbcglobal.net</A>><BR>> Cc: sf-core <<A href="mailto:sf-core%40yahoogroups.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:sf-core%40yahoogroups.com">sf-core@yahoogroups.com</A>>; Peace-discuss <<A href="mailto:peace-discuss%40lists.chambana.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss%40lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</A> <BR>> >; <A href="mailto:occupycu%40lists.chambana.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:occupycu%40lists.chambana.net">occupycu@lists.chambana.net</A>; JWJ C-U <BR>> <<A href="mailto:centralILJwJ%40yahoogroups.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:centralILJwJ%40yahoogroups.com">centralILJwJ@yahoogroups.com</A>>; William Bloomington Campbell <<A href="mailto:bill%40campbellkording.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:bill%40campbellkording.com">bill@campbellkording.com</A> <BR>> >; Bill Gorrell <<A href="mailto:laborer%40mchsi.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:laborer%40mchsi.com">laborer@mchsi.com</A>>; Colm Mistéil <<A href="mailto:colmmisteil%40gmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:colmmisteil%40gmail.com">colmmisteil@gmail.com</A> <BR>> >; Dave Powers <<A href="mailto:pengdust%40aol.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:pengdust%40aol.com">pengdust@aol.com</A>>; david johnson <BR>> <<A href="mailto:dlj725%40hughes.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:dlj725%40hughes.net">dlj725@hughes.net</A>>; Jim Eyman <<A href="mailto:banjogramps%40gmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:banjogramps%40gmail.com">banjogramps@gmail.com</A>>; Neil Parthun <BR>> <<A href="mailto:lennybrucefan%40gmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:lennybrucefan%40gmail.com">lennybrucefan@gmail.com</A>>; Ricky Baldwin <<A href="mailto:baldwinricky%40yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:baldwinricky%40yahoo.com">baldwinricky@yahoo.com</A>>; <BR>> stefen robinson <<A href="mailto:stefenrobinson%40yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:stefenrobinson%40yahoo.com">stefenrobinson@yahoo.com</A>><BR>> Sent: Sun, July 1, 2012 7:24:18 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [CentralILJwJ] Fw: [CCDS Members] Quote of the Day<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> I respect Michael Moore but this statement from him is DELUSIONAL !<BR>><BR>> " Obama moving the ball down the court ", " a victory for the people <BR>> " ?<BR>> What planet is he living on ?<BR>><BR>> This is NOT the reality of most Working people in this counrty !<BR>><BR>> Read my previous post from Doctors for National Healthcare.<BR>><BR>> It is easy for Michael Moore,
a millionaire, to make such a <BR>> superfical statement to defend Obama and the DNC, which he has <BR>> obviously bought into.<BR>><BR>> This phoney Obama healthcare bill does NOTHING to further the cause <BR>> of national healthcare for all, in fact in protects and entrenches <BR>> the private capitalist health insurance industry and the <BR>> Pharmacetucial industry, and will make working people WORSE OFF , <BR>> with less money and no and / or inadequate health insurance and it <BR>> will make OUR work, that is those who are TRUELY " Socialists " and <BR>> " Progressives" more difficult !<BR>><BR>> Which side are YOU TRUELY on ?<BR>> Working people or the corporate contolled democratic party ?<BR>><BR>> David Johnson<BR>> '<BR>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>> From: Gene Vanderport<BR>> To: central il jwj<BR>> Cc: Socialist Forum ; ISO Champaign ; Central IL Wobs ; <A
href="mailto:occupycu-bounces%40lists.chambana.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:occupycu-bounces%40lists.chambana.net">occupycu-bounces@lists.chambana.net</A> <BR>> ; Occupy Champaign Urbana<BR>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 6:29 PM<BR>> Subject: [CentralILJwJ] Fw: [CCDS Members] Quote of the Day<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Plese check out the quote below........from Michael Moore......<BR>> Germaine<BR>><BR>> ----- Forwarded Message ----<BR>> From: "<A href="mailto:cbloice%40comcast.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:cbloice%40comcast.net">cbloice@comcast.net</A>" <<A href="mailto:cbloice%40comcast.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:cbloice%40comcast.net">cbloice@comcast.net</A>><BR>> To: CCDS - Members <<A href="mailto:Members%40lists.cc-ds.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:Members%40lists.cc-ds.org">Members@lists.cc-ds.org</A>><BR>> Sent: Sun,
July 1, 2012 2:58:33 PM<BR>> Subject: [CCDS Members] Quote of the Day<BR>><BR>> Quote of the Day<BR>> July 1, 2012<BR>><BR>> 'So take some time tonight to celebrate; this is a<BR>> victory for the people. Actually, more than a victory,<BR>> it is a mandate that all of us must now make sure<BR>> that a second-term Obama continues to move the<BR>> ball down the field, toward a system like they have<BR>> in every other First World country on the planet. He<BR>> simply has to improve Medicare and then expand it<BR>> to every citizen in the country. The countries that do<BR>> this, their people live an average of two to four years<BR>> longer than we do. Is there a reason anyone doesn't<BR>> want an extra four years of their lives? Or that our<BR>> babies would have a better chance of surviving their<BR>> first year like they do in the 48 countries that have a<BR>> better infant mortality rate than we
do? Exactly who<BR>> is opposed to this? You'd have to be a bit.crazy. '<BR>><BR>> Filmmaker/Activist Michael Moore<BR>> June 28, 2012<BR>><BR>> <A href="http://tinyurl.com/ckuylaw" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://tinyurl.com/ckuylaw</A><BR><BR></P></DIV><!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~-->
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