<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">...Today [8 March 2012], Norquist lost another devotee, with Rep. Timothy Johnson (R-IL) saying that while he signed the pledge for his first election, he now considers Norquist’s stance “disingenuous and irresponsible“:<br><br>“I would never in a million years have considered this as some kind of a locked-in-granite pledge. Frankly, I didn’t even remember it. That shows you how obscure it was to me,” Johnson said.<br><br>“My understanding was then, as I remember it, and certainly now, is that nobody could possibly ever in a million years, in their wildest imagination, expect you to sign something that was right before a primary election and then you’d be locked in on that position the whole rest of your career. Particularly something like taxes and particularly when the national debt 10 and a half years ago was $6 trillion and now it’s going to be $17 trillion.”[...]<br><br>“Nobody could lock themselves in perpetuity into a position like that. That’s like saying you’d never vote for armed intervention in a foreign country, until we get attacked”…“I’m not saying I’m even committed now to a tax increase, but I think anybody who doesn’t indicate their willingness to look at revenues — expiration of tax loopholes, tax credits, increase in contribution to Social Security, which is a tax, and otherwise — would be disingenuous and irresponsible.“<br><div><div><br></div><div><i>--<<a href="http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/03/08/440397/gop-rep-blasts-norquist-irresponsible/?mobile=nc">http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/03/08/440397/gop-rep-blasts-norquist-irresponsible/?mobile=nc</a>></i></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:56 PM, Astrid Berkson <<a href="mailto:astridjb@comcast.net">astridjb@comcast.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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tim has decided to close out his congressional career as a
libertarian because money follows ron paul and tim follows money.
yes he has voted to withhold funding from the war; also from social
services, healthcare, the environment, and funding all regulatory
agencies. he has positioned himself with the naked capitalists. and
he has signed the rove no tax pledge when it is clear that the
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/30/2012 9:27 PM, Germaine Light
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On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:55 PM, "C. G. Estabrook" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cge@shout.net">cge@shout.net</a>>
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<dd><i>The last temptation is the greatest treason:</i></dd>
<dd><i>To do the right deed for the wrong reason.</i></dd>
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<div>says the poet, and that may well be true for the state of
one's soul.</div>
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<div>But I'd rather have a majority of the Congress voting
against a criminal war "for the wrong reason" </div>
<div>than a minority voting against it for the right
reason... </div>
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<div>On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:29 PM, Germaine Light <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lightport@sbcglobal.net">lightport@sbcglobal.net</a>>
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<div>Motive is important <br>
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On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:26 PM, "Carl G. Estabrook"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">galliher@illinois.edu</a>>
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<blockquote type="cite">What does his motive matter,
if he's opposing a criminal war?
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<div>Is it better to support a criminal war - for
what's imagined to be a good reason? ("We're
bringing freedom to the Mideast...")<br>
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<div>Which should you vote for?</div>
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<div>On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:03 PM, Germaine
Light <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lightport@sbcglobal.net">lightport@sbcglobal.net</a>>
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<div>Johnson won' t support it b'c
Obama is democrat.<br>
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On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:51 PM, "Carl
G. Estabrook" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">galliher@illinois.edu</a>>
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<blockquote type="cite">I hope that,
if he becomes the Congressional
representative of the 13th IL CD,
David Gill will vote against
Obama's widening war - from
Central Asia to Central Africa -
as forthrightly and consistently
as Tim Johnson has. I'm not at all
sure he will but would love to be
proved wrong.
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<div>The child-killer in the White
House has tried to make the war
acceptable by lying that he's
withdrawing. I think David will
support that. Johnson doesn't.
--CGE
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<div>On Jul 30, 2012, at
7:43 PM, Germaine Light
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lightport@sbcglobal.net">lightport@sbcglobal.net</a>>
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<div>Ricky speaks
TRUTH<br>
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On Jul 30, 2012,
at 6:25 PM, Ricky
Baldwin <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rbaldwin@seiu73.org">rbaldwin@seiu73.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div id="ygrp-text"><p>Actually, as
you recall,
Carl, Tim
Johnson was an
enthusiastic
cheerleader
for the war
when Bush was
in office
until he saw
the
handwriting on
the wall. The
fact that we
helped him see
it with the
referendum
votes against
the war should
not lessen the
reality that
Johnson
changed out of
self-interest.
<br>
<br>
Before the
invasion of
Iraq Johnson
claimed at a
public meeting
here in town
that he was
privy to
secret
information
that the rest
of us could
not know
about, which
justified his
unapologetic
support for
war. After the
invasion of
Iraq he was
asked about
that
information,
and his
response that
we should not
be "Monday
morning
quarterbacking"
- a bad joke
because our
position was
not
after-the-fact
but of course
had been made
clear through
protests and
letters, etc.,
well before
the war. <br>
<br>
None of that
swayed him,
nor did any
subsequent
revelations
about the Bush
Administration's
lies, Abu
Ghraib, the
dirty
contracts, and
so on. He was
not swayed in
the least by
our constant
criticism,
either, it
seems, but in
the end by a
clear
demonstration
that local
voters
overwhelmingly
opposed the
war - and
perhaps by the
impending end
of Bush's
second and
last term of
office the
next year.
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<br>
Ricky
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From: C. G.
Estabrook [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cge%40shout.net">cge@shout.net</a>]
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Sent: Monday,
July 30, 2012
5:46 PM
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To: David
Johnson
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Cc: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:astridjb%40comcast.net">astridjb@comcast.net</a>; Ricky
Baldwin;
sf-core; <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:peace-discuss%40lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>;
C-U Citzens
for Peace and
Justice; JWJ
C-U
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Subject: Re:
[sf-core] Re:
[Discuss]
[CentralILJwJ]
Fw: [OccupyCU]
Fwd: [cchcc-l]
Gov. Quinn
Announces
State-Federal
Partnership
Health
Exchange
<br>
<br>
Here's one of
his publicity
photos, David.
<br>
<br>
What is it the
Obamanians
say? "Oh, he's
got to do
that!"
<br>
<br>
But will he
vote against
Obama's war
plans, as Tim
Johnson does?
<br>
<br>
Will he vote
against
Obama's
'entitlement'
cuts?
<br>
<br>
I hope so.
--CGE
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On Jul 30,
2012, at 3:54
PM, David
Johnson <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dlj725%40hughes.net">dlj725@hughes.net</a><mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dlj725%40hughes.net">dlj725@hughes.net</a>>>
wrote:
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Gill will be
one of the few
dems I will
vote for in
November ( the
rest I will
leave blank or
vote third
party ).
<br>
The reason I
will vote for
Gill is
because of his
position
supporting
expanding
medicare for
all and his
changed and
improved
position
against the
continued
occupation of
Afganistan and
his refusal to
accept
corporate
money.
<br>
If the
democratic
party has any
future it will
need to have
more
candidates
like David
Gill.
<br>
I hope he
doesn't flip
flop once he
is elected, I
have had that
happen all too
often in the
past.
<br>
<br>
David J.
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