<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>As if on cue, transparently disingenuous Democratic front rhetoric in the NYT:</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/01/opinion/romney-is-caught-between-neoconservatives-and-neo-isolationists.html?ref=opinion">http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/01/opinion/romney-is-caught-between-neoconservatives-and-neo-isolationists.html?ref=opinion</a></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span></span> </div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span>"Mitt
Romney hopes to persuade Americans not only that he can fix the economy but also that he can lead at a time of great uncertainty abroad. To do so, he needs to first unite his party by offering clear alternatives to the president’s policies. Vague criticisms of Mr. Obama won’t cut it."</span></div><div><br><blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid;"> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <div style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" class="hr" contentEditable="false" readonly="true"></div> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> C. G. Estabrook <cge@shout.net><br> <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Gregg Gordon <ggregg79@yahoo.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Peace Discuss <peace-discuss@anti-war.net>; ocCUpy <occupycu@lists.chambana.net>; Peace <peace@anti-war.net> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, September 1, 2012 10:23 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] [OccupyCU] Farmer's Market and Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama's speech?<br> </font> </div> <wbr>
<div id="yiv661569087"><div>It's important to assess how important the difference it makes is. The answer seems to be, not much.<div> <div>Obama - although he campaigned against them - followed Bush's economic and military polices, if in a more brutal and efficient fashion.<div><div><br></div><div>That may be some slight reason to vote against him, but it's certainly not a reason to support him.</div><div><br></div><div><wbr><div><div>On Sep 1, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Gregg Gordon <<a href="mailto:ggregg79@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:ggregg79@yahoo.com">ggregg79@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</div><wbr><blockquote type="cite"><div style='font-family: "times new roman", "new york", times, serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);'>I find it mind-boggling that anyone who lived through the years 2000-2008 really believes "it makes no difference."<wbr><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div
style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <div style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" class="hr" contentEditable="false" readonly="true"></div> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> C. G. Estabrook <<a href="mailto:cge@shout.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:cge@shout.net">cge@shout.net</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Jenifer Cartwright <<a href="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com">jencart13@yahoo.com</a>> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Peace Discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@anti-war.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@anti-war.net">peace-discuss@anti-war.net</a>>; ocCUpy <<a href="mailto:occupycu@lists.chambana.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:occupycu@lists.chambana.net">occupycu@lists.chambana.net</a>>; Peace <<a href="mailto:peace@anti-war.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:peace@anti-war.net">peace@anti-war.net</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday,
September 1, 2012 10:10 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Peace] [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Farmer's Market and Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama's speech?<br> </font> </div> <wbr>
<div id="yiv661569087"><div>I think it's wrong to give Obama a pass on Bradley Manning and hold off on condemning his crimes - from the suppression of WikiLeaks to the murders of Americans and others - for ostensible fear of a candidate (Romney) whose positions on economic and military matters are inherently identical to those of the administration. </div><div><br></div><div>"Voting for reform-minded candidates should take about five minutes, and then we go back to the important work on the ground to change the conditions in which the mostly farcical election process proceeds" [Chomsky]. --CGE</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>On Sep 1, 2012, at 1:20 AM, Jenifer Cartwright <<a href="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com">jencart13@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</div><wbr><blockquote type="cite"><table border="0" cellSpacing="0" cellPadding="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font: inherit;
font-size-adjust: inherit; font-stretch: inherit;" vAlign="top">I'm guessing you guys haven't been listening to the Repub Convention speeches, but Romney et al are FAR, FAR, FAR worse than Obama et al... So how 'bout we save our protests until AFTER the election, and use our energy defeating the LOTS WORSE evils??? It won't significantly affect YOUR lives if the Dems are defeated, but it will be devastating to MILLIONS across the US and the world.<br><br>--- On <b>Fri, 8/31/12, Stuart Levy <i><<a href="mailto:stuartnlevy@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:stuartnlevy@gmail.com">stuartnlevy@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid;"><br>From: Stuart Levy <<a href="mailto:stuartnlevy@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:stuartnlevy@gmail.com">stuartnlevy@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: [Peace-discuss] Farmer's
Market and Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama's speech?<br>To: "Peace" <<a href="mailto:peace@anti-war.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:peace@anti-war.net">peace@anti-war.net</a>>, "Peace Discuss"
<<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@anti-war.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@anti-war.net">peace-discuss@anti-war.net</a>>, "ocCUpy" <<a href="mailto:occupycu@lists.chambana.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:occupycu@lists.chambana.net">occupycu@lists.chambana.net</a>><br>Date: Friday, August 31, 2012, 11:26 AM<br><br><div class="yiv661569087plainMail">The wars go on despite the weather and so shall we (at least we'll try).<wbr><wbr>Expect AWARE and CUCPJ at the Farmer's Market tomorrow morning, 8-noon.<wbr><wbr>And, from 2-4, the AWARE+OccupyCU demonstration will be at its usual first-Saturday site,<wbr><wbr> Main and Neil, downtown Champaign<wbr> 2-4 PM Saturday, Sept. 1st<wbr><wbr>If it turns into a real downpour, we'll retire somewhere nearby for lunch.<wbr><wbr><wbr><wbr>There's also a nationally-coordinated suggestion for groups to hold demonstrations on
*Thursday,
September 6th*, in support of Bradley Manning --<wbr><wbr> "Show Obama that Bradley Manning is our hero"<wbr><wbr>Why the 6th? That's the date of Obama's acceptance speech at the DNC.<wbr><wbr>To make a definite *proposal*, how
about:<wbr><wbr> (proposed) Demonstration in support of accused whistleblower Bradley Manning<wbr> 5:00PM Thursday, Sept. 6th<wbr> Urbana Veterans' Memorial<wbr> (that's Broadway and Main, or, the NW corner of the block where the county courthouse is)<wbr><wbr>What do people think? (Could also make sense to complain more broadly about Obama's unfulfilled promise as a peace, civil liberties, etc. candidate from four years ago.)<wbr><wbr>If you like the idea *and* think you can be there for at least part of 5-6PM, please write back (either to <a href="" rel="nofollow">peace-discuss@anti-war.net</a> or to occupyCU or to me, but not to the peace list please).<wbr><wbr>If we have at least, say, five people who believe they can do this, then let's go for it. Meanwhile let's consider Sept. 6th as
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