<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Sorry, a great big protest at the Dem Con after a little bitty one at the Repub Con makes no sense to me. It makes it looks like there're more objections to the Dems than to the Repubs, which isn't so... and it might gain a few more votes for the Repubs. Folks, I am terrified about the possibility that the Repubs will sweep this thing, and then it'll really be all over, w/ no hope of anything good happening ever again. All we have is the ballot box and current laws and those still willing to stand for them in a court of law. Citizens United wasn't enuff proof for you all? You want Ginsburg replaced by another Thomas-Scolia-Roberts-Alito?? Face it: there ain't never gonna be an American Spring. <br><br>--- On <b>Sat, 9/1/12, Rohn Koester <i><rohnkoester@gmail.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);
margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Rohn Koester <rohnkoester@gmail.com><br>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] [OccupyCU] Farmer's Market and Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama's speech?<br>To: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13@yahoo.com><br>Cc: "C. G. Estabrook" <cge@shout.net>, "Stuart Levy" <stuartnlevy@gmail.com>, "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss@anti-war.net>, "ocCUpy" <occupycu@lists.chambana.net>, "Peace" <peace@anti-war.net><br>Date: Saturday, September 1, 2012, 5:42 PM<br><br><div id="yiv440502127">The Obama Administration is fully responsible for the torture of Bradley Manning. Why would we demonstrate against Romney when it comes to expressing our support for a war crimes whistleblower? Manning is a hero.<div><br></div>
<div><div>On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Jenifer Cartwright <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=jencart13@yahoo.com">jencart13@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:</div><div><div class="yiv440502127gmail_quote"><blockquote class="yiv440502127gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit;">Yeah... but the Manning demonstration is concurrent w/ Obama's nomination; nothing of the sort happened during Romney's... as if we were making a distinction betw the two. <div class="yiv440502127im">
<br><br>--- On <b>Sat, 9/1/12, Stuart Levy <i><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:stuartnlevy@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=stuartnlevy@gmail.com">stuartnlevy@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;">
<br>From: Stuart Levy <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:stuartnlevy@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=stuartnlevy@gmail.com">stuartnlevy@gmail.com</a>><div class="yiv440502127im"><br>Subject: Re: [Peace] [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Farmer's Market and Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama's speech?<br>
To: "C. G. Estabrook" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:cge@shout.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=cge@shout.net">cge@shout.net</a>><br></div>Cc: "Jenifer Cartwright" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=jencart13@yahoo.com">jencart13@yahoo.com</a>>, "Peace Discuss" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@anti-war.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=peace-discuss@anti-war.net">peace-discuss@anti-war.net</a>>, "ocCUpy" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:occupycu@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=occupycu@lists.chambana.net">occupycu@lists.chambana.net</a>>, "Peace" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peace@anti-war.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=peace@anti-war.net">peace@anti-war.net</a>>, "Stuart Levy"
<<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:stuartnlevy@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=stuartnlevy@gmail.com">stuartnlevy@gmail.com</a>><br>Date: Saturday, September 1, 2012, 11:34 AM<div><div class="yiv440502127h5"><br><br><div>
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One way we can cast this: barring the rapture, we know that of Obama
and Romney, one of the two will be the next President. We could say
that the demonstration is addressing both of them. Their positions
with respect to Manning and government-embarrassing whistleblowers
are probably pretty similar anyway.<br>
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<div>On 9/1/12 10:10 AM, C. G. Estabrook
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<div>I think it's wrong to give Obama a pass on Bradley Manning
and hold off on condemning his crimes - from the suppression of
WikiLeaks to the murders of Americans and others - for
ostensible fear of a candidate (Romney) whose positions on
economic and military matters are inherently identical to those
of the administration. </div>
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<div>"Voting for reform-minded candidates should take about five
minutes, and then we go back to the important work on the ground
to change the conditions in which the mostly farcical election
process proceeds" [Chomsky]. --CGE</div>
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<div>On Sep 1, 2012, at 1:20 AM, Jenifer Cartwright <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=jencart13@yahoo.com">jencart13@yahoo.com</a>>
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<td style="font:inherit;" valign="top">I'm guessing you
guys haven't been listening to the Repub Convention
speeches, but Romney et al are FAR, FAR, FAR worse
than Obama et al... So how 'bout we save our protests
until AFTER the election, and use our energy defeating
the LOTS WORSE evils??? It won't significantly affect
YOUR lives if the Dems are defeated, but it will be
devastating to MILLIONS across the US and the world.<br>
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--- On <b>Fri, 8/31/12, Stuart Levy <i><<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=stuartnlevy@gmail.com">stuartnlevy@gmail.com</a>></i></b>
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From: Stuart Levy <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=stuartnlevy@gmail.com">stuartnlevy@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Farmer's Market and
Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th
for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama's speech?<br>
To: "Peace" <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=peace@anti-war.net">peace@anti-war.net</a>>,
"Peace Discuss" <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=peace-discuss@anti-war.net">peace-discuss@anti-war.net</a>>,
"ocCUpy" <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=occupycu@lists.chambana.net">occupycu@lists.chambana.net</a>><br>
Date: Friday, August 31, 2012, 11:26 AM<br>
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<div>The wars go on despite the
weather and so shall we (at least we'll try).<br>
<br>
Expect AWARE and CUCPJ at the Farmer's Market
tomorrow morning, 8-noon.<br>
<br>
And, from 2-4, the AWARE+OccupyCU demonstration
will be at its usual first-Saturday site,<br>
<br>
Main and Neil, downtown Champaign<br>
2-4 PM Saturday, Sept. 1st<br>
<br>
If it turns into a real downpour, we'll retire
somewhere nearby for lunch.<br>
<br>
<br>
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There's also a nationally-coordinated suggestion
for groups to hold demonstrations on *Thursday,
September 6th*, in support of Bradley Manning --<br>
<br>
"Show Obama that Bradley Manning is our hero"<br>
<br>
Why the 6th? That's the date of Obama's
acceptance speech at the DNC.<br>
<br>
To make a definite *proposal*, how about:<br>
<br>
(proposed) Demonstration in support of accused
whistleblower Bradley Manning<br>
5:00PM Thursday, Sept. 6th<br>
Urbana Veterans' Memorial<br>
(that's Broadway and Main, or, the NW
corner of the block where the county courthouse
is)<br>
<br>
What do people think? (Could also make sense to
complain more broadly about Obama's unfulfilled
promise as a peace, civil liberties, etc.
candidate from four years ago.)<br>
<br>
If you like the idea *and* think you can be there
for at least part of 5-6PM, please write back
(either to <a rel="nofollow">peace-discuss@anti-war.net</a>
or to occupyCU or to me, but not to the peace list
please).<br>
<br>
If we have at least, say, five people who believe
they can do this, then let's go for it. Meanwhile
let's consider Sept. 6th as still tentative.<br>
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