<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Wow, outSTANding post, Stan!! (I've deleted Peace, as that list is for announcements only, and kept it going to the other lists, which are for discussion. Kindly respect what the lists were set up to do).<br><br>--- On <b>Mon, 9/3/12, Stan Waggoner <i><swag901@ymail.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Stan Waggoner <swag901@ymail.com><br>Subject: Re: [Peace] [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Closer Than You Think: Top 15 Things Romney and Obama Agree On<br>To: "C. G. Estabrook" <cge@shout.net>, "Michael Weissman" <mbwmbwmbw@gmail.com><br>Cc: "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss@anti-war.net>, "ocCUpy" <occupycu@lists.chambana.net>, "Peace" <peace@anti-war.net><br>Date: Monday, September 3, 2012, 9:55 AM<br><br><div
id="yiv1752457226"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><div><span>When misrepresenting the problems of getting our country back on track, a couple things need be remembered.</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span></span> </div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span>1.<span class="yiv1752457226tab"> The Obama administration has been hamstrung by the <span id="yiv1752457226misspell-0"><span>tyranny</span></span> of the minority. The Senate requires 60 votes to get anything passed that would help middle class America. Mitch McConnell has said his number one job is to make Obama a one term president. John <span
id="yiv1752457226misspell-1" class="yiv1752457226mark">Boehner</span> has said that if some of their policies cost jobs, "so be it".</span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span><span class="yiv1752457226tab"></span></span> </div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span><span class="yiv1752457226tab">2.<span class="yiv1752457226tab"> The Democrats had 135 days when they had a 60 vote super majority in the Senate after Al <span id="yiv1752457226misspell-2" class="yiv1752457226mark">Frankin</span> was sworn as Senator from MN.</span></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span><span
class="yiv1752457226tab"><span class="yiv1752457226tab"></span></span></span> </div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0,
0);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span><span class="yiv1752457226tab"><span class="yiv1752457226tab">3.<span class="yiv1752457226tab"> During that 135 days. Tedd Kennedy was in hospice, and only made it down to Washington to vote twice. Once was the <span id="yiv1752457226misspell-3" class="yiv1752457226mark">ACA</span>.</span></span></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span><span class="yiv1752457226tab"><span class="yiv1752457226tab"><span class="yiv1752457226tab"></span></span></span></span> </div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span><span class="yiv1752457226tab"><span class="yiv1752457226tab"><span
class="yiv1752457226tab">4.<span class="yiv1752457226tab"> If we get mad at Obama, and do not vote for him, that only
weakens his chances of getting help for the middle class.</span></span></span></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span><span class="yiv1752457226tab"><span class="yiv1752457226tab"><span class="yiv1752457226tab"><span class="yiv1752457226tab"></span></span></span></span></span> </div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span><span class="yiv1752457226tab"><span class="yiv1752457226tab"><span class="yiv1752457226tab"><span class="yiv1752457226tab">Do not get me wrong, President Obama has done many things I wish he had done differently. However, a vote for anyone other than Obama is a vote for the failed, extreme right wing policies that caused the condition our country is in today.</span></span></span></span></span></div><div
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font-size:16px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span><span class="yiv1752457226tab"><span class="yiv1752457226tab"><span class="yiv1752457226tab"><span class="yiv1752457226tab"></span></span></span></span></span> </div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span><span class="yiv1752457226tab"><span class="yiv1752457226tab"><span class="yiv1752457226tab"><span class="yiv1752457226tab">Stan Waggoner</span></span></span></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span><span class="yiv1752457226tab"><span class="yiv1752457226tab"><span class="yiv1752457226tab"><span class="yiv1752457226tab">AKA Reasonable Man Stan</span></span></span></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial, helvetica,
sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span><span class="yiv1752457226tab"><span class="yiv1752457226tab"><span class="yiv1752457226tab"><span class="yiv1752457226tab">WEFT</span></span></span></span></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <div style="margin:5px 0px;padding:0px;border:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);height:0px;line-height:0;font-size:0px;" class="yiv1752457226hr"></div> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> C. G. Estabrook <cge@shout.net><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Michael Weissman <mbwmbwmbw@gmail.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> Peace Discuss <peace-discuss@anti-war.net>; Gregg Gordon <ggregg79@yahoo.com>; ocCUpy
<occupycu@lists.chambana.net>; Peace <peace@anti-war.net>; C. G. Estabrook <cge@shout.net> <br> <b><span style="
font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, September 2, 2012 10:50 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Closer Than You Think: Top 15 Things Romney and Obama Agree On<br> </font> </div>
<div id="yiv1752457226"><div>Come on, Mike. The statement may be slightly hyperbolic, but it's an accurate description of what the Obama administration is (not) doing. <div><br></div><div>(1) The first sentence is true if in need of specification, such as </div><div><br></div><div>(a) "Chronic unemployment highest since Great Depression" <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18563_162-20069136.html">http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18563_162-20069136.html</a>>; and (b) "Longest Period of High Unemployment Since Great Depression" <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/02/16/cbo-longest-period-of-high-unemployment-since-great-depression">http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/02/16/cbo-longest-period-of-high-unemployment-since-great-depression</a>>.</div><div><br></div><div>(2) The last
sentence expresses the conscious decision of the Obama administration not to create <span id="yiv1752457226misspell-10" class="yiv1752457226mark">WPA</span>-like government jobs as an alternative to jobs controlled by private business:</div><div><br></div><div>Jared Bernstein, former chief economist for Vice President Joe <span id="yiv1752457226misspell-11" class="yiv1752457226mark">Biden</span>, wrote on May 30, 2011, "There will be no <span id="yiv1752457226misspell-12" class="yiv1752457226mark">WPA</span>-type programs in our near future. There was no appetite for them in the Obama admin in the midst of the worst recession since the Great Depression and there's a lot less now. The reasons for that are interesting and I'll speak to them another day. But it ain't happening" <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
href="http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/shoulds-versus-coulds/">http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/shoulds-versus-coulds/</a>>.</div><div><br></div><div>"...on a <span id="yiv1752457226misspell-13" class="yiv1752457226mark">WPA</span> program, Bernstein explicitly says it was <i>the White House</i>,
not Republicans, who had no appetite for direct, public job creation
during the first term. Bernstein says he made the arguments about public
works jobs inside the White House, but he was clearly outvoted. He
doesn't give the arguments made in response, tantalizingly alluding to 'interesting' reasons that he will 'speak to another day.' But he says
very clearly that the reason we did all of this hoops-jumping and
nudging in the stimulus package rather than just paying people to work
at jobs that needed to be done was a philosophical decision inside the
White House. In a sense we already knew this, but it's important that a
former White House insider re-emphasized it" <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/05/30/jared-bernstein-lets-slip-interesting-info-about-wh-economic-views/">http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/05/30/jared-bernstein-lets-slip-interesting-info-about-wh-economic-views/</a>>.</div><div><br></div><div>--CGE</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On <span id="yiv1752457226misspell-15" class="yiv1752457226mark">Sep</span> 2, 2012, at 10:00 PM, Michael Weissman <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mbwmbwmbw@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=mbwmbwmbw@gmail.com">mbwmbwmbw@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"> Damian- things are bad enough if you describe them accurately. Making stuff up doesn't help. This list is half truths. Let's start with the first item.<br><br><div class="yiv1752457226gmail_quote"><div> </div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px
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<font face="Arial, sans-serif"><b>Although unemployment is the highest it's been since the Great Depression, </b><b>the federal government</b><b> should </b><b>NOT </b><b>enact any sort of <span id="yiv1752457226misspell-17" class="yiv1752457226mark">WPA</span>-style program to put millions of people back to work.</b>
Under Democrat Franklin Roosevelt in the 1930s, Depression-era
unemployment was tackled head on by direct federal hiring to dig
subways, build roads, schools, parks, sewers, recreational facilities
and public buildings. Oblivious of this history, Democrat Barack Obama
maintains that only the private sector can or should create jobs.</font></div></td></tr></tbody></table></blockquote><div></div><div>Neither the first sentence nor the last sentence there is true. First, check any standard plot of unemployment vs. time. Second, Obama pushed through the major stimulus which included lots of funding for direct public jobs (teachers,...), public-created private jobs (hiring contractors to build bridges...) and, generally bad tax breaks, needed to get the bill through the Senate, due to almost unanimous R opposition. The D's are pushing fairly big (still way too small) new stimulus bills, again a mixture of direct funding of state jobs and building things by hiring contractors. Can't get anything through the R House.</div>
<div></div><div>A discussion about what is to be done is really hard at best, but worthless if it's not based on real data.</div><div></div><div>One could go through the other points, but after this start why bother.</div>
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