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A small federal government cannot engage in imperialistic military
activity.<br>
A review of history advises us that powerful governments always engage
in imperialism.<br>
(Please provide two good examples of powerful governments that did not.)<br>
<br>
Under the guise of providing for the general welfare, the central
government has grown way<br>
out of its reasonable boundaries and has insinuated and infiltrated
itself into every aspect of life in Amerika.<br>
It has also convinced a sizable portion of the population that "life
support" is totally dependent<br>
upon the central government, and further that the cybernetic control
system that the federal government<br>
has established, and is establishing, is infallible as well as
essential, and beneficent, too. <br>
<br>
A HAL9000 has never made a mistake.<br>
<br>
By definition, the federal government is incapable of error, since the
definition of error is a function<br>
of the federal government. <br>
<br>
We control the horizontal and the vertical. <br>
There is no limit to what we can do, <br>
and no limit to what we will<br>
do to you if you resist. <br>
Resistance is futile.<br>
You will be assimilated.<br>
<br>
There is nothing that the average guy can do about it. "HAL" is
defending itself by unrestrained violent action<br>
against the people. This will not only continue, but it will become
more and more severe and more and more<br>
overt and more and more "good". It is good to kill those who threaten
the system.<br>
<br>
As people become progressively lazy and dependent upon the system they
are unwilling to see the demise<br>
of the system that is pleasuring them. It's something like demonic
possession actually. The demon is allowed<br>
to stay because it is providing some perceived benefit. The enthralled
one will not always rise up and voluntarily<br>
cast out the demon, because the demon has control of the pain and
pleasure centers. It's going to hurt to<br>
extract the demon, and it will rip the flesh mercilessly on its way
out, and further leave the previously controlled one to <br>
stand up on his own 2 feet. A terrifying prospect is this thing
personal responsibility.<br>
Some people wont survive a transition to personal responsibility and
will die. The demon is advising them<br>
of this. <br>
<br>
The US federal government is a bloodsucking parasite that is sapping
the life out of the people. Where parasitism is<br>
heavy, the host is apt to die if the parasites are dispatched. I have
seen horses and dogs with heavy parasite infections<br>
of the intestine actually die as the result of de-worming. All the
places where the blood-suckers were attached<br>
are now small raw spot. As mony a mickle makes a muckle, if there are
enough raw spots coalescing, the host<br>
will be in some deep trouble.<br>
<br>
As long as people accept the Idea (the damnable Lie) that the federal
government is a force for good, and as<br>
long as the people are willing to pay tribute to the federal
government, the wars will continue unabated<br>
until the federal government finally chokes on its own waste and vomit
and dies a ugly painful death in <br>
thrashing agony.<br>
<br>
Much better that the people withdraw their support as soon as possible,
and reject the lie that the <br>
federal government is essential for life. Although the war is
perpetual, the war machine is not a <br>
perpetual motion machine. Deprived of its means of making war (a
supply of money),<br>
the war machine will stop its motion.<br>
<br>
i am frightened, dave... <br>
<br>
daisy...daisy...<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 9/3/2012 7:25 AM, Chris Goodrow wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">Would you mind elaborating on that assertion, please?<br>
<br>
Chris Goodrow<br>
(217) 898-5039<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>
<hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 06:56:01 +0800<br>
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ewj@pigsqq.org">ewj@pigsqq.org</a><br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:lightport@sbcglobal.net">lightport@sbcglobal.net</a><br>
CC: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:c_goodrow@hotmail.com">c_goodrow@hotmail.com</a>; <a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:occupycu@lists.chambana.net">occupycu@lists.chambana.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] [Peace] Farmer's Market
andDemonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley
Manning on eve of Obama'sspeech?<br>
<br>
Actually those who favour and rely upon the teat of big government are
part of the reason<br>
that the wars continue. <br>
<br>
On 9/3/2012 3:33 AM, Germaine Light wrote:
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cite="mid:0237394A-58E6-47C0-BA1D-6B76C35F695A@sbcglobal.net">
<div>Maybe so, Chris, but I sure wouldn't vote for, or campaign
for,
or even hope that that shallow, rich, cold conservative machine gets in
office. Too risky, <span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="">too
much
to lose. After 8 years of that conservative Bush dung & recent
actions of right wing governors, I cannot face another 4 years or more.
We lost so much, and not all of that damage has been repaired, &
some conservative governors have done perhaps irreparable damage.
Meanwhile people have suffered in loss of freedom, wage losses,
decrease in union power, loss of rights to organize, to strike, payroll
deduction of union dues. No it is not worth the risk of whatever comes
next to hope that a conservative win results in a better Spring. It
might just backfire & we end up with something more akin to
fascism, more than we already have. NO! I am not willing to take that
risk!</span></div>
<div><br>
Sent from my iPhone
<div>Germaine Light</div>
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<div><br>
On Sep 2, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Chris Goodrow <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:c_goodrow@hotmail.com">c_goodrow@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Furthermore, is Obama more likely to feel pressure now
before
the election or after he's won and isn't too concerned about pleasing
anyone. Let's remember, the "shellacking" he got in 2010 wasn't due to
a mandate, but rather so many people who came out in droves in 2008
just stayed home. Perhaps we didn't get an American spring because too
many people are concerned about the elections and how it would reflect
on Obama. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If Romney gets elected, there is a good chance it has to do
with the job Obama has done or not done. Maybe with a Romney
presidency, things will get worse faster and people may just start
paying attention and get out on the streets without having to worry
about who is in office. <br>
<br>
Chris
<div>(217) 898-5039<br>
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On Sep 2, 2012, at 11:09, "David Johnson" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dlj725@hughes.net">dlj725@hughes.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">It's NOT ass backwards at all !</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">For the simple fact that the
Dems are in power of the Presidency which controls the Injustice
Department, who are the one's persecuting the whistle blowers.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">David J.</font></div>
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<div
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" title="jencart13@yahoo.com"
href="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com">Jenifer Cartwright</a> </div>
<div
style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" title="cge@shout.net"
href="mailto:cge@shout.net">C. G. Estabrook</a> ; <a
moz-do-not-send="true" title="ggregg79@yahoo.com"
href="mailto:ggregg79@yahoo.com">Gregg Gordon</a> </div>
<div
style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Cc:</b>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" title="peace-discuss@anti-war.net"
href="mailto:peace-discuss@anti-war.net">Peace Discuss</a> ; <a
moz-do-not-send="true" title="occupycu@lists.chambana.net"
href="mailto:occupycu@lists.chambana.net">ocCUpy</a> ; <a
moz-do-not-send="true" title="peace@anti-war.net"
href="mailto:peace@anti-war.net">Peace</a> </div>
<div
style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b>
Saturday, September 01, 2012 4:36 PM</div>
<div
style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b>
Re: [Peace] [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Farmer's Market andDemonstration
on Saturday;and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley Manning on eve of
Obama'sspeech?</div>
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<td valign="top">Sorry, clarifying my position:
<div>Yes, continue war/drone protests as usual -- both
candidates are on record for those
<div>Defer whistle-blower protests until after the
election -- nothing from the Romney camp re these (surely same as- or
worse than Dems), plus there were no protests at Repub convention for
those. Already expecting huge protests at Dem Conven compared w/
Repubs. ass-backwards thinking, imho.<br>
--- On <b>Sat, 9/1/12, Gregg Gordon <i><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ggregg79@yahoo.com">ggregg79@yahoo.com</a>></i></b>
wrote:<br>
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From: Gregg Gordon <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ggregg79@yahoo.com">ggregg79@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Peace] [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Farmer's Market and
Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley
Manning on eve of Obama's speech?<br>
To: "C. G. Estabrook" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cge@shout.net">cge@shout.net</a>><br>
Cc: "Jenifer Cartwright" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com">jencart13@yahoo.com</a>>, "Peace
Discuss" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:peace-discuss@anti-war.net">peace-discuss@anti-war.net</a>>,
"ocCUpy"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:occupycu@lists.chambana.net">occupycu@lists.chambana.net</a>>,
"Peace"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:peace@anti-war.net">peace@anti-war.net</a>><br>
Date: Saturday, September 1, 2012, 3:15 PM<br>
<br>
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<div><span>So how many Americans died in Iraq this
week? And how's the missile shield in eastern Europe coming (to cite
just two significant differences with the Bush Administration)?</span></div>
<div
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<div
style="background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman','new york',times,serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px;"><span>Look
--
I'm
not saying give anyone a pass on anything. I'm saying make your
point strategically and intelligently. It's likely to improve your
effectiveness. </span></div>
<div
style="background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: 'times new roman','new york',times,serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px;"><span><br>
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<div
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style="font-style: normal;" class="ecxyiv539381623Apple-style-span">Frankly,
I
don't
think there's anything a handful of people in C-U are going to
do in the next two months that will make an iota's difference to the
outcome of the election </span><i>or</i> the future of Bradley
Manning. I would guess 95% of the people who drive by any such
demonstration will have no idea who Bradley Manning is, and there's
nothing you can put on a placard that will inform them. It won't even
be covered by the local newspaper. So in that respect, I don't care,
but the larger point is worth considering. Do we do these things to
fulfill a sense of righteous indignation, or are we trying to have an
impact on future events?</div>
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<hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b>
C. G. Estabrook <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cge@shout.net">cge@shout.net</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
Gregg Gordon <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ggregg79@yahoo.com">ggregg79@yahoo.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b>
Jenifer Cartwright <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com">jencart13@yahoo.com</a>>; Peace
Discuss <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:peace-discuss@anti-war.net">peace-discuss@anti-war.net</a>>;
ocCUpy
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:occupycu@lists.chambana.net">occupycu@lists.chambana.net</a>>;
Peace
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:peace@anti-war.net">peace@anti-war.net</a>>
<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Saturday, September 1, 2012 10:23 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Peace] [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Farmer's Market and
Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley
Manning on eve of Obama's speech?<br>
</font></div>
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<div id="ecxyiv539381623">
<div>It's important to assess how important the
difference it makes is. The answer seems to be, not much.
<div>
<div>Obama - although he campaigned against them -
followed Bush's economic and military polices, if in a more brutal and
efficient fashion.
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>That may be some slight reason to vote against
him, but it's certainly not a reason to support him.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On Sep 1, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Gregg Gordon <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http:///mc/compose?to=ggregg79%40yahoo.com" rel="nofollow"
target="_blank">ggregg79@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div
style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: 'times new roman','new york',times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">I
find
it
mind-boggling that anyone who lived through the years 2000-2008
really believes "it makes no difference."<br>
<div><span><br>
</span></div>
<div><br>
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<hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b>
C. G. Estabrook <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http:///mc/compose?to=cge%40shout.net" rel="nofollow"
target="_blank">cge@shout.net</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
Jenifer Cartwright <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http:///mc/compose?to=jencart13%40yahoo.com" rel="nofollow"
target="_blank">jencart13@yahoo.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b>
Peace Discuss <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http:///mc/compose?to=peace-discuss%40anti-war.net"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank">peace-discuss@anti-war.net</a>>;
ocCUpy <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http:///mc/compose?to=occupycu%40lists.chambana.net"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank">occupycu@lists.chambana.net</a>>;
Peace <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http:///mc/compose?to=peace%40anti-war.net" rel="nofollow"
target="_blank">peace@anti-war.net</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Saturday, September 1, 2012 10:10 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Peace] [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Farmer's Market and
Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley
Manning on eve of Obama's speech?<br>
</font></div>
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<div id="ecxyiv539381623">
<div>I think it's wrong to give Obama a pass on
Bradley Manning and hold off on condemning his crimes - from the
suppression of WikiLeaks to the murders of Americans and others - for
ostensible fear of a candidate (Romney) who</div>
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