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The Niu statement is that of a pure anarchist. Tolstoi is likewise an
anarchist after the order of Thoreau.<br>
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The reason that wars persist is that so many people are addicted to the
concept of government.<br>
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Governments appear to be the means of a powerful relative few
exercising mandatory authority over their fellows. The Assange affair
is a classical example of the government attaining a will and an agenda
of its own. Fred Thompson said the first function of government is to
defend itself. Whether Thompson's statement is absurd or just
offensive, it does indeed seem to be true in practice.<br>
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On 10/1/2012 7:37 AM, Brussel, Morton K wrote:
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This Niu statement is errant nonsense. Governments can do good and
better and do bad and worse (on either national or local levels).
Governments are organizing instruments of societies.
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<div>Roads (infrastructure), schools, health services, regulatory
rules, etc. , etc. are not opposed to "the interests of the people".
However, Tolstoi may have a point in speaking of wars between national
entities, or I suppose, even local entities.
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<div>On Sep 30, 2012, at 5:27 PM, E. Wayne Johnson wrote:</div>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">All government is
fundamentally diametrically opposed to the interests of the people. -
Niu.<br>
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In all history there is no war which was not hatched by the
governments, the governments alone, independent of the interests of the
people, to whom war is always pernicious even when successful.<br>
The government assures the people that they are in danger from the
invasion of another nation, or from foes in their midst, and that the
only way to escape this danger is by the slavish obedience of the
people to their government. This fact is seen most prominently during
revolutions and dictatorships, but it exists always and everywhere that
the power of the government exists. Every government explains its
existence, and justifies its deeds of violence, by the argument that if
it did not exist the condition of things would be very much worse.
After assuring the people of its danger the government subordinates it
to control, and when in this condition compels it to attack some other
nation. And thus the assurance of the government is corroborated in the
eyes of the people, as to the danger of attack from other nations. -
Tolstoi.<br>
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<h4 id="pagesub"><font size="4">This is the same designation held
by al-Qaeda, and it means that Assange could be killed or detained
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<p><font size="4"><strong>Newly declassified documents have
revealed that the US military designated WikiLeaks founder Julian
Assange
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<p><font size="4"><strong><span><Mail Attachment.jpeg></span>The
documents were released under a Freedom of Information Act request for
an investigation into a US Air Force cyber analyst who
allegedly expressed support for WikiLeaks and attended pro-Assange
demonstrations.</strong></font></p>
<p><font size="4"><strong>The investigation, the documents
reveal, was meant to determine whether this analyst, who had a
top-secret security clearance, had given classified information to
WikiLeaks supporters, who the documents describe as an “anti-US and/or
anti-military group.”</strong></font></p>
<p><font size="4"><strong>The documents allege this suspect may
have been “communicating with the enemy, 104-D,” an article in the US
Uniform Code of Military Justice that prohibits military personnel from
“communicating, corresponding or holding intercourse with the enemy,”
the same designation held by al-Qaeda.</strong></font></p>
<p><font size="4"><strong>Assange’s US attorney, Michael Ratner,
claims this designation has very dangerous implications and could be
interpreted as a green light to kill or detain Assange without charge
or trial.</strong></font></p>
<p><font size="4"><strong>“It appears that Julian Assange and
WikiLeaks are the ‘enemy.’ An enemy is dealt with under the laws of
war, which could include killing, capturing, detaining without trial,
etc.,” Ratner warned.</strong></font></p>
<p><font size="4"><strong>WikiLeaks is nothing more than a
publishing platform and Julian Assange is properly understood as a
journalist. For the US military to designate him in the same class as
al-Qaeda militants is the greatest affront to first amendment press
freedoms in a very long time.</strong></font></p>
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