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<DIV>"Al Quaeda did not exist prior to the eviction of the Soviet Army from
Afghanistan - so your history is a bit suspect too. "</DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=4>Most of the members of both Al Quaeda and the
Taliban WERE members of the mujahideen, and WERE trained, financed and
armed by the CIA and began terrorist attacks against schools, clinics
and agricultural projects operated by the Afganistan government in the
late 1970's.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=4>Below is one of MANY articles that documents
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<H1 class=post-title>How The CIA Helped Create Osama Bin Laden</H1>
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<P><A
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width=300 height=204 data-lazy-loaded="true"></A>During in the 1970s, when the
Russia was the biggest threat to America and radical Islam was not as a concern
of the USA’s, the USA began funding and training Islamic militants to fight our
Russian enemies in Afghanistan.</P>
<P>These militants, known as the mujahideen would rebel the Russians out of
Afghanistan and later become the Taliban, Al Qaeda and the Muslim
Brotherhood.</P>
<P>One of the most prominent members of he mujahideen was a wealthy son of a
Saudi Arabian businessman named Osama Bin Laden.</P>
<P>National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski visited Afganistan in 1979 and
met with Bin Laden and even took a picture with him. Brzezinski would tell the
mujahideen</P>
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<P>We know of their deep belief in God, and we are confident their struggle
will succeed. That land over there is yours, you’ll go back to it one day
because your fight will prevail, and you’ll have your homes and your mosques
back again. Because your cause is right and God is on your
side.</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>
<DIV style="PADDING-TOP: 81.25%" class=fluid-width-video-wrapper>The <A
href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1670089.stm" target=_blank>BBC</A>,
<A href="http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/osamabinladen/"
target=_blank>Canadian Broadcasting Corporation</A> and the Russian journal <A
href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3996/is_200304/ai_n9199132/pg_4/?tag=content;col1"
target=_blank>Demokratizatsiya</A> have all written that the CIA and U.S.A.
funded and supported Bin Laden during the Afghan war.</DIV>
<P>Former British Foreign secretary, Robin Cook said:</P>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western
security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by
the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of
Afghanistan.</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>Several other authors, journalists and statesmen have all made the claim that
Bin Laden was funded, armed and trained by the CIA to fight off the
Russians.</P>
<P>After Ronald Reagan was elected in 1981, U.S. funding of the mujahideen
increased significantly and CIA Paramilitary Officers played a big role in
training, arming and sometimes even leading mujahideen forces.</P>
<P>The CIA trained the mujahideen in many of the tactics Al Qaeda is known for
today, such as car bombs, assassinations and other acts that would be considered
terrorism today.</P>
<P>The U.S.A. would fund Gulbuddin Hekmatyar a mujahideen leader and alleged
heroin dealer who worked closely with Bin Laden. Hekmaytyar and his political
party/paramilitary group would receive more than $600 million from the USA.
Author, <A href="http://www.bearcave.com/bookrev/nugan_hand.html"
target=_blank>Alfred McCoy</A>, would claim that the CIA supported Hekmatyar in
his illicit heroin trade to allow him to fund the mujahideen.Like Bin Laden,
Hekmatyar has also become an enemy of the U.S., waging a war against coalition
forces in Afghanistan after 2001.</P>
<P>America must learn from the foreign policy mistakes of our past. These
mistakes have lead to the creation of our enemies, such as Saddam Hussein,
Manuel Noreaga, and Osama Bin Laden. The enemy of our enemy is not always our
friend, most often they become our enemies too. As America gives aid to rebels
in Libya and other countries we must be cautious not to create another Bin
Laden.</P></DIV></SECTION></ARTICLE></DIV></SECTION></DIV></DIV> </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jencart13@yahoo.com href="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com">Jenifer
Cartwright</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=rwhelbig@gmail.com
href="mailto:rwhelbig@gmail.com">Roger Helbig</A> ; <A
title=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 17, 2012 8:38
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] This
is for you Mr. Hebrig</DIV>
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<TD vAlign=top>First I've heard about yr Rokke bio, or yr seeking info
about him. Good luck w/ that.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 10/15/12, Roger
Helbig <I><<A
href="mailto:rwhelbig@gmail.com">rwhelbig@gmail.com</A>></I></B>
wrote:<BR>
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Roger Helbig <<A
href="mailto:rwhelbig@gmail.com">rwhelbig@gmail.com</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] This is for you Mr. Hebrig<BR>To: "Jenifer
Cartwright" <<A
href="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com">jencart13@yahoo.com</A>><BR>Date:
Monday, October 15, 2012, 10:26 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=yiv371785200>
<DIV>Because it is in Champaign-Urbana and I was looking for people
who know Douglas Lind Rokke in Rantoul. Rokke is a con artist
who has been playing a role he created about 1999 and he has been
spreading lies about depleted uranium and his own military
and academic experiences. I was not referring to you, but to
David Johnson. I only copied you because you actually were kind
enough to suggest that Johnson's addressing me through the list was
not really appropriate. Thanks for that.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>What amazes me about many alleged "peace activists" is that
they have been so taken in by lies just because they want to believe
the worst about their own country. I personally believe you
never fight lies with bigger lies, but Johnson appears to believe the
exact opposite,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Roger</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>PS - have you ever met or listened to Rokke? If so, I am
his unofficial biographer. He lied about me so I found out the
truth about him.<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv371785200gmail_quote>On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 8:10 PM,
Jenifer Cartwright <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="/mc/compose?to=jencart13@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com">jencart13@yahoo.com</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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vAlign=top>Uh... if you meant ME, there's only one "n" in my
first name (blame my parents). However, I'm guessing
that the only thing we have in common is unusual name
spelling. Why did you join this list??<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon,
10/15/12, Roger Helbig <I><<A
href="/mc/compose?to=rwhelbig@gmail.com" rel=nofollow
target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:rwhelbig@gmail.com">rwhelbig@gmail.com</A>></I></B>
wrote:<BR>
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Roger Helbig <<A href="/mc/compose?to=rwhelbig@gmail.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:rwhelbig@gmail.com">rwhelbig@gmail.com</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] This is for you Mr.
Hebrig<BR>To: "Jenifer Cartwright" <<A
href="/mc/compose?to=jencart13@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow
target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com">jencart13@yahoo.com</A>><BR>Cc:
<A href="/mc/compose?to=dlj725@microsoft.com" rel=nofollow
target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:dlj725@microsoft.com">dlj725@microsoft.com</A><BR>Date:
Monday, October 15, 2012, 3:17 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>Mr Johnson, the next time you decide to call me out in
the subject line, then I suggest you spell my name correctly
- there is no R in the last name - Hell is a big place to
hold all the sinners and there is only one L in my last name
- got it.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Al Quaeda did not exist prior to the eviction of the
Soviet Army from Afghanistan - so your history is a bit
suspect too. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks, Jennifer.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Roger Helbig<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV>On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Jenifer Cartwright
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="http://mc/compose?to=jencart13@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow
target=_blank>jencart13@yahoo.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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vAlign=top>David Johnson,<BR>This belongs on
Peace-discuss, NOT on Peace. If you respect the
lists, those on the list will be more likely to
respect you. <BR> --Jenifer<BR><BR>--- On
<B>Fri, 10/12/12, David Johnson <I><<A
href="http://mc/compose?to=dlj725@microsoft.com"
rel=nofollow
target=_blank>dlj725@microsoft.com</A>></I></B>
wrote:<BR>
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David Johnson <<A
href="http://mc/compose?to=dlj725@microsoft.com"
rel=nofollow
target=_blank>dlj725@microsoft.com</A>><BR>Subject:
[Peace] This is for you Mr. Hebrig<BR>To: "Peace
C-U Discussion" <<A
href="http://mc/compose?to=peace@lists.chambana.net"
rel=nofollow
target=_blank>peace@lists.chambana.net</A>><BR>Date:
Friday, October 12, 2012, 5:08 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial>
<H2><SPAN>Lets not forget that the CIA helped to
create, finance, arm, train and encourage Al Queda
and the Taliban against the populist left-wing
government of Afganistan during the late 1970's
and most of the 1980's. Lets also not forget the
right-wing fanatical Jewish settlers who
violently attack unarmed Palestinian
civilians including women, old people and
children, ALL financed from OUR tax dollars
via the corporate controlled U.S.
Government, in order to steal their
land.</SPAN></H2>
<H2><SPAN>Hebrig is trying to imply from his last
post that the U.S. military occupation of
Afganistan and yes Iraq ( 100,000 private
mercenaries, 50,000 U.S. troops in 12 U.S.
military bases and an embassy larger than the
Vatican ) is for humanitarian and democracy
reasons. Democracy and human rights has NEVER been
a priority of the U.S. government since the end of
World War II. Its all about corporate control of
low wages and cheap natural resources that
exclusively benefits the 1 %, at the expense of
the rest of us, THE WORKING CLASS !</SPAN></H2>
<H2><SPAN>And yes Hebrig, rather you are in denial
or not, YOU are also Working Class !</SPAN></H2>
<H2><SPAN>David Johnson</SPAN></H2>
<H2><SPAN>Friday, October 12, 2012</SPAN></H2>
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<DIV><A
name=13a678cc2f7f7470_13a62af42f6ddb70_5591518129675587165
rel=nofollow></A>
<H3>Religious fundamentalists try to murder girl
for seeking education. </H3>
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<DIV>The religious fundamentalists the Taliban
have tried to murder 14 year old school girl
Malala Yousafzai because she spoke out to say she
wanted to be a doctor. This is an act of the most
extreme and savage barbarity that must be
unconditionally condemned by all. The US press is
full of indignation about this event. However
we need to keep in mind a few things. When it
suited them one US government after another worked
with the Taliban to try and achieve its aims in
Afghanistan and Central Asia, these aims were to
hem in Russia and China.<BR><BR>We also have to
remember that Saudi Arabia is the most important
ally of the US in the Middle East after Israel.
And here is what the New York Times has to say
about this extreme fundamentalist regime, the
friend of the Bush family, the US oil industry and
US capitalism. In an article by Nicholas D Kristof
in the New York Times October 11th, he wrote: "One
of my greatest frustrations when I travel to
Pakistan is that I routinely spot extremest
madrases, or schools, financed by medieval
misogynists from Saudi Arabia or elsewhere. They
provide meals, free tuition and sometimes
scholarships to lure boys - because their
donors understand perfectly that education shapes
countries." So these allies and friends of the US
capitalist class are financing the very outfits
and pushing the very ideas that nurture the
Taliban and end up killing young
girls.<BR><BR>Like the fundamentalist religious
nut cases everywhere, whether in the Islamic
world, or the Jewish world or the Christian world,
these ideas and people are a threat to a civilized
society and especially to
women.</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR>-----Inline
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