<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Good one, Roger. Stick around!<br><br>--- On <b>Sun, 11/4/12, David Johnson <i><dlj725@hughes.net></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: David Johnson <dlj725@hughes.net><br>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] (no subject)<br>To: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net>, "Roger Helbig" <rwhelbig@gmail.com><br>Date: Sunday, November 4, 2012, 4:30 PM<br><br><div id="yiv872869946">
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<div><strong><font face="Arial">Obviously you are blind to the corporate
manipulation !</font></strong></div>
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<div><strong><font face="Arial">But then again, should I expect any different from
someone who has bought into the corporate military industrial complex
propoganda ?</font></strong></div>
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<div><strong><font face="Arial">Why are you still on this list
?</font></strong></div>
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<div><strong><font face="Arial">I thought you were going to do the honorable act
of unsubscribing from this list ?</font></strong></div>
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<div><strong><font face="Arial">You do NOT live in Champaign-Urbana and never
have, you are pro-war, pro-corporate, anti-Union, and
anti-Occupy.</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial">You do NOT share the values of this list so why do
you not unsubscribe ?</font></strong></div>
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<div><strong><font face="Arial">David Johnson</font></strong></div>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4;"><b>From:</b>
<a rel="nofollow" title="rwhelbig@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:rwhelbig@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=rwhelbig@gmail.com">Roger Helbig</a>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="dlj725@hughes.net" ymailto="mailto:dlj725@hughes.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=dlj725@hughes.net">David Johnson</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 04, 2012 3:00
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<div><br></div>hope you love Romney-Ryan as they go back to the Biblical
flood<br><br>
<div class="yiv872869946gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 6:55 AM, David Johnson <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dlj725@hughes.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=dlj725@hughes.net">dlj725@hughes.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><strong><font face="Arial">On the contrary Jenifer
!</font></strong></div>
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<div><strong><font face="Arial">Myself and many others are voting for the ONLY
REAL opposition party on the ballot in the state of Illinois, in opposition
to the two corporate contolled parties.</font></strong></div>
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<div><strong><font face="Arial">YOU and others like you are throwing your vote
away by voting for a corporate contolled boot licker who is a no different
than his so called opponent.</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial">Until you and others realize this and begin to
make changes within the democratic party, NOTHING will change for
the better and will only get worse. </font></strong></div>
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<div><strong><font face="Arial">Respectfully</font></strong></div>
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<div><strong><font face="Arial">David Johnson</font></strong></div>
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<a rel="nofollow" title="dlj725@hughes.net" ymailto="mailto:dlj725@hughes.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=dlj725@hughes.net">David Johnson</a> </div>
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Saturday, November 03, 2012 11:34 PM</div>
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Re: [Peace-discuss] (no subject)</div>
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<td valign="top">Hey, it's yr vote, throw it away if that's how you
get yr kicks. Sad.<br><br>--- On <b>Sat, 11/3/12, David Johnson
<i><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dlj725@hughes.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=dlj725@hughes.net">dlj725@hughes.net</a>></i></b> wrote:<br>
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David Johnson <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dlj725@hughes.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=dlj725@hughes.net">dlj725@hughes.net</a>><br>Subject:
[Peace-discuss] (no subject)<br>To: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:Undisclosed-Recipient%3A%3B@mail0.frost.chambana.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=Undisclosed-Recipient%3A%3B@mail0.frost.chambana.net">Undisclosed-Recipient:;@mail0.frost.chambana.net</a><br>Date:
Saturday, November 3, 2012, 7:59 PM<br><br>
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<p><font size="4">" I would rather vote for something I want and not
get it, than to vote for something I did NOT want and end up
getting it. "</font></p>
<p><font size="4">Eugene Debs </font></p>
<p><font size="4"></font> </p>
<p><font size="4">On Tuesday I will be happily pulling the lever for
</font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.jillstein.org/"><font size="4">Jill Stein</font></a><font size="4">, the
Green Party candidate for president. The ONLY REAL opposition
party and opposition candidate against corporate rule on
the ballot in the state of Illinois !</font></p></font>
<p><font size="4"><font size="4">Nov</font>ember 3,
2012</font></p></h2>
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<h3>25 reasons not to vote for Obama </h3>
<div><font size="4">Filed under: </font><a rel="nofollow" title="View all posts in Green Party" target="_blank" href="http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/category/green-party/"><font size="4">Green
Party</font></a><font size="4">,</font><a rel="nofollow" title="View all posts in Obama" target="_blank" href="http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/category/obama/"><font size="4">Obama</font></a><font size="4">,</font><a rel="nofollow" title="View all posts in parliamentary cretinism" target="_blank" href="http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/category/parliamentary-cretinism/"><font size="4">parliamentary
cretinism</font></a><font size="4"> — louisproyect @ 11:03 pm
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<p><font size="4"><img title="obama" alt="" height="253" width="380"></font></p>
<p><font size="4">1. His key appointments indicated a tilt toward
Wall Street. Tim Geithner, his Secretary of the Treasury, was the
brains behind TARP–in other words “too big to fail”. As head of
the United States National Economic Council, Larry Summers pushed
for tax cuts rather than New Deal type spending on roads, bridges,
etc. Before becoming Attorney General, Eric Holder was at a
Washington law firm that represented a Who’s Who of big banks and
other companies at the center of alleged foreclosure fraud. That,
no doubt, is why a Justice Department panel investigating mortgage
security fraud is being starved for funds.</font></p>
<p><font size="4">2. Middle-class homeowners have suffered under the
Obama administration. On taking office, Obama promised that up to
9 million of them would be protected from foreclosure but only 2.3
million have gotten assistance. Moreover, the White House never
addressed the problem of plunging house prices that left owners
being both unable to stay and to leave.</font></p>
<p><font size="4">3. Despite their slavish support for Obama, trade
unions have been treated poorly. Obama promised that he would
fight for EFCA (Employee Free Choice Act), an act that would
expedite union certification. Once in office, it was relegated to
the back burner. When Wisconsin governor Scott Walker went
on a union-busting rampage, Obama did nothing to back the protests
and limited his support for a Democrat in a recall election to a
tweet. When Chicago teachers went on strike against Mayor Rahm
Emanuel’s Scott Walker-like attack, Obama stood aloof. This was to
be expected, of course, since his Secretary of Education is a
proponent of charter schools.</font></p>
<p><font size="4">4. Despite foolish expectations that Obama would
be a new FDR, Obama has functioned more like Hoover on the jobs
creation front. There has been nothing like the WPA or the CCC,
despite an aging infrastructure. And despite all the hoopla over
the auto bailout, the net result has been a downsizing of the big
three auto companies, as well as a sharp cut in
benefits.</font></p>
<p><font size="4">5. Both Obama and Romney love free trade.
</font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/07/14/bain_outsourcing_neither_obama_nor_romney_think_it_s_wrong_so_what_are_we_arguing_about_.html"><font size="4">As liberal wonk Matt
Iglesias put it</font></a><font size="4">, “And what’s more, all
indications are that Barack Obama also doesn’t think Bain was
doing anything wrong. As president he’s made no moves to make it
illegal for companies to shift production work abroad and has
publicly associated himself with a wide range of American
firms—from GE to Apple and beyond—who’ve done just that to varying
extents. And we all remember what happened to Obama’s promise to
renegotiate NAFTA after taking office, right?”</font></p>
<p><font size="4">6. Obama done nothing to solve the problem of
greenhouse-gas related climate change, a point made by Al
Gore</font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/climate-of-denial-20110622?page=1"><font size="4"> in a Rolling Stone
article</font></a><font size="4">. Despite the EPA’s requirement
that new (but not existing) coal-fueled plants cut their emissions
by half, there are signs that this will have little to do with
reducing greenhouse gases since coal is being replaced across the
board by the far cheaper natural gas.</font></p>
<p><font size="4">7. Natural gas extraction is being facilitated
through the use of hydrofracking, an environmentally devastating
practice that the Obama administration has accepted without
qualms. In his latest State of the Union speech, Obama’s
pro-natural gas stance earned the praise of the pro-hydrofracking
Independent Oil & Gas Association. His EPA chief Lisa Jackson
told a Senate Committee that she knew of no instances where
fracking affected water, a stance that </font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/even_lisa_on_board_jXydpSpjiw9SZSx4ZwOARJ"><font size="4">endeared her to the
ultra-reactionary NY Post</font></a><font size="4">. Finally, he
gave TransCanada the OK to build the southern portion of its
Keystone XL tar sands pipeline in June of this year. By contrast,
Jill Stein was arrested when she was resupplying activists
blockading the pipeline.</font></p>
<p><font size="4">8. In the same month that he gave TransCanada the
green light, Obama permitted oil drilling in the Arctic. This
follows a decision in January to re-open 38 Million Acres in Gulf
of Mexico to offshore drilling. The fact that BP has given the
largest chunk of its $3.5 million campaign contributions to Obama
might well have something to do with this.</font></p>
<p><font size="4">9. Obama has supported the building of nuclear
power plants, even after Fukushima.</font></p>
<p><font size="4">10. In 2009 Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack
gave his personal approval for a 381-acre clear-cut in Tongass
National Forest, America’s largest stand of temperate rain
forest.</font></p>
<p><font size="4">11. Last and far from least, Obama lifted the ban
on hunting gray wolves in eight northern states in 2011. Maybe he
and Sarah Palin can go shoot the beasts from a helicopter some
time next year in the spirit of collaboration between the two
parties. They can bring Chris Christie along, after making sure
that the helicopter can carry all that weight.</font></p>
<p><font size="4">12. Obama promised to close down Guantanamo but
the prison remained open even after he said in the ill-conceived
Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech: ” I believe the United States
of America must remain a standard bearer in the conduct of
war…That is why I ordered the prison at Guantanamo Bay
closed.”</font></p>
<p><font size="4">13. When men imprisoned in Guantanamo demanded
that they be tried in a U.S. court, the case went all the way up
to the Supreme Court. On Obama’s urging, the court denied a
hearing, thus </font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/06/did-supreme-court-just-gut-habeas"><font size="4">leading some to assert
</font></a><font size="4">that a president with a background in
constitutional law was gutting habeas corpus.</font></p>
<p><font size="4">14. Obama maintains a secret kill list that
included American citizens. This suspension of habeas corpus not
only led to the murder of Anwar al-Awlaki—an American—but his 16
year old son who was never charged with a crime. Robert Gibbs,
Obama’s former press secretary, defending the killing this way: “I
would suggest that you should have a far more responsible father
if they are truly concerned about the well being of their
children.</font></p>
<p><font size="4">15. Obama’s raid on Osama bin-Laden’s house was
essentially illegal. Amnesty International described it as an
extrajudicial execution.</font></p>
<p><font size="4">16. His use of drones has led to the deaths of
many noncombatants, including a number </font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://truth-out.org/news/item/10907-cover-up-of-civilian-drone-deaths-revealed-by-new-evidence"><font size="4">that have been covered
up</font></a><font size="4">. The criterion used by the White House
is that any military aged male within the target range is fair
game. If this is not the policy of a war criminal, then I do not
know what is.</font></p>
<p><font size="4">17. Many of Obama’s policies are </font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.salon.com/2012/06/07/probing_obamas_secrecy_games/"><font size="4">shrouded in
secrecy</font></a><font size="4">. When the White House leaked word
about its kill list—intended to burnish its reputation as tough on
terror—nothing happened. But when people like Bradley Manning
reveal the machinations that lead to war, he is put in solitary
confinement and faced with a lengthy prison term.</font></p>
<p><font size="4">18. Despite the hostility of Netanyahu, Israel
continues to get carte blanche from the administration. When
Americans consider the possibility of joining a flotilla to bring
humanitarian aid to Gaza, they have to worry about the threats of
fines and imprisonment </font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.democracynow.org/2011/6/27/obama_admin_warns_of_fines_and"><font size="4">brandished by Hillary
Clinton</font></a><font size="4">. Despite toothless remonstrations
to Israel about West Bank settlements, the U.S. </font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Foreign-Policy/2011/0218/If-Obama-opposes-Israeli-settlement-activity-why-did-US-veto-UN-vote"><font size="4">voted against a U.N.
resolution</font></a><font size="4"> that described them as illegal.
Finally, despite American nervousness about an armed attack on
Iran, the U.S. continues to back crippling sanctions all in the
name of reducing the threat to Israel, a country that flouts
international treaties against its own stockpile of nuclear
weapons.</font></p>
<p><font size="4">19. Against all evidence that its occupation of
Afghanistan has been a disaster to the Afghan people and to the
soldiers serving there, Obama pledges to “finish the job” in
Nixonian terms. Sticking to a 2014 deadline for withdrawal, he
will likely step up the use of drones as he begins to wind down
troop deployments. 42 states and the District of Columbia are
facing serious budget shortfalls this year. Spending for the
Afghanistan war would more than </font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://costofwar.com/publications/2011/ten-years-after-911/afghanistan-war-costs/"><font size="4">make up for the
shortfalls</font></a><font size="4">. As is always the case,
it is guns trump butter.</font></p>
<p><font size="4">20. Despite all the hype about the breakthrough of
having the first African-American president, there are signs that
Obama has largely ignored the suffering of Black America. In a
very important article that appeared in the October
28<sup>th</sup> New York Times, </font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/opinion/sunday/the-price-of-a-black-president.html"><font size="4">Columbia University’s
director of Black studies wrote</font></a><font size="4">: “Whether
it ends in 2013 or 2017, the Obama presidency has already marked
the decline, rather than the pinnacle, of a political vision
centered on challenging racial inequality.” Among the findings in
this article: 28 percent of African-Americans, and 37 percent of
black children, are poor (compared with 10 percent of whites and
13 percent of white children); 13 percent of blacks are unemployed
(compared with 7 percent of whites); more than 900,000 black men
are in prison; blacks experienced a sharper drop in income since
2007 than any other racial group; black household wealth, which
had been disproportionately concentrated in housing, has hit its
lowest level in decades; blacks accounted, in 2009, for 44 percent
of new H.I.V. infections.</font></p>
<p><font size="4">21. Obama has deported </font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/obamas-record-high-deportations-draw-hispanic-scorn/"><font size="4">twice the number of
undocumented workers</font></a><font size="4"> per annum than Bush.
59 percent of Latinos disapprove of his policies but face the
quandary of voting for Romney, who complains that Obama is not
deporting enough.</font></p>
<p><font size="4">22. Obamacare has effectively preempted the only
health care option that made sense, namely a single-payer plan
that would effectively extended Medicare (but a much improved on)
to all. As Obama has said on countless occasions, this is the same
plan that Romney pushed through when he was governor of
Massachusetts. It is also the same plan that American Enterprise
Institute scholar J.D. Kleinke defended in a September 29, 2012
NYT op-ed piece titled “The Conservative Case for Obamacare”: The
rationalization and extension of the current market is financed by
the other linchpin of the law: the mandate that we all carry
health insurance, an </font><a rel="nofollow" title="National Health System plan from The Heritage Foundation" target="_blank" href="http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1989/a-national-health-system-for-america"><font size="4">idea</font></a><font size="4"> forged not by liberal social engineers at the Brookings
Institution but by conservative economists at the Heritage
Foundation. The individual mandate recognizes that millions of
Americans who could buy health insurance choose not to, because it
requires trading away today’s wants for tomorrow’s needs. The
mandate is about personal responsibility — a hallmark of
conservative thought.”</font></p>
<p><font size="4">23. Obama set up something called National
Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform that was co-chaired
by a couple of fiscal hawks, Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles.
There are fears that the policies favored by these two
reactionaries will be implemented as cuts in Social Security in
Obama’s second term. In his debate with Romney, Obama said, “I
suspect that on Social Security, we’ve got a somewhat similar
position. Social Security is structurally sound. It’s going to
have to be tweaked the way it was by Ronald Reagan and Speaker —
Democratic Speaker Tip O’Neill. But it is — the basic structure is
sound.” With the likely continuation of Bush tax cuts, there will
be pressure to cut the deficit. Between Social Security and tax
breaks for billionaires, guess which will be
sacrificed.</font></p>
<p><font size="4">24. The White House has been a pillar of support
for charter schools. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan is one of
the country’s leading advocates for what amounts to the
privatization of public schools and the liquidation of the
teacher’s union, one of the few in the country that still has some
backbone. The </font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2012/mar/07/flunking-arne-duncan/"><font size="4">irrepressible Diane
Ravitch</font></a><font size="4"> described Duncan this way: “Duncan
cheered when the superintendent of the Central Falls, Rhode
Island, school district threatened to fire every teacher in the
town’s only high school; the Education Secretary memorably said
that Hurricane Katrina—which wiped out public schools and broke
the teachers’ union in New Orleans—was the best thing that ever
happened to the school system in that city. Teachers are
demoralized by such statements.”</font></p>
<p><font size="4">25. Finally, in the one bright spot in recent
American history of people challenging the status quo—namely the
Occupy movement—there is strong evidence that the White House
conspired with local authorities to crush it. David Lindorff
</font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/05/14/did-the-white-house-direct-the-police-crackdown-on-occupy/"><font size="4">reported for
Counterpunch</font></a><font size="4">: “A new trove of heavily
redacted documents provided by the US Department of Homeland
Security (DHS) in response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA)
request filed by the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF) on
behalf of filmmaker Michael Moore and the National Lawyers Guild
makes it increasingly evident that there was and is a nationally
coordinated campaign to disrupt and crush the Occupy
Movement.”</font></p>
<p><font size="4">None of this should be interpreted, of course, as
a preference for Romney, which would be like recommending cyanide
instead of arsenic.</font></p>
<p><font size="4">On Tuesday I will be happily pulling the lever for
</font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.jillstein.org/"><font size="4">Jill Stein</font></a><font size="4">, the
Green Party candidate for
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