<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">That's a difficult argument to answer, but I still don't see how "... email belligerence ... is actively hampering local organized opposition to war."<br><br>If that 'organized opposition' can be turned aside by an unkind word, the child-killer in the White House probably doesn't have much to fear from it. <br><br>--CGE<br><br>On Nov 16, 2012, at 5:33 PM, Ricky Baldwin <<a href="mailto:rbaldwin@seiu73.org">rbaldwin@seiu73.org</a>> wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Gibberish and psycho-babble.<br><br>RB<br>________________________________________<br>From: C. G. Estabrook [<a href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com">carl@newsfromneptune.com</a>]<br>Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 3:57 PM<br>To: Ricky Baldwin<br>Cc: Alex Cline; Sarah Lazare; Peace-discuss List; <a href="mailto:OccupyCU@lists.chambana.net">OccupyCU@lists.chambana.net</a>; E. Wayne Johnson<br>Subject: Re: [OccupyCU] My Resignation From the Occupy CU Listserv<br><br>"... email belligerence ... is actively hampering local organized opposition to war"? I don't think that's what's going on.<br><br>I think some decent people who consider themselves "opponents of war" have a bit of a bad conscience about actively supporting the child-killer in the White House.<br><br>They look to salve that conscience by producing a political discussion where never is heard a discouraging word, and the skies are not cloudy all day.<br><br><br>On Nov 16, 2012, at 2:31 PM, Ricky Baldwin <<a href="mailto:rbaldwin@seiu73.org">rbaldwin@seiu73.org</a>> wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">That's preposterous. The insults we've seen here have nothing to do with stopping war or other forms of murder, except in that this email belligerence is directed at the opponents of war and is actively hampering local organized opposition to war. Don't insult our intelligence with this self-important nonsense.<br><br>Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID<br><br><br>"C. G. Estabrook" <<a href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com">carl@newsfromneptune.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>Does 'treating decently' mean not saying what you think because someone on the list might be offended?<br><br>On Nov 16, 2012, at 2:11 PM, Alex Cline <<a href="mailto:rev.a.r.cline@gmail.com">rev.a.r.cline@gmail.com</a><<a href="mailto:rev.a.r.cline@gmail.com">mailto:rev.a.r.cline@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br><br>I'm so glad to understand that there's no need to treat each other decently because there are armed drones flying over the middle east! I would have never made that connection on my own.<br><br><br>On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 11:44 AM, C. G. Estabrook <<a href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com">carl@newsfromneptune.com</a><<a href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com">mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com</a>>> wrote:<br>Stuart--<br><br>I think it's a mistake to give in to Identity Politics' taste for censorship.<br><br>It's a mark of the (self-imposed) weakness of liberalism over the last generation, that it's given up real attempts to stop wrong things from being done - and instead turned to furious attempts to make sure wrong things aren't said. (Cf. Hedges' 'Death of the Liberal Class.')<br><br>The local Occupy group has seemed to me particularly susceptible to this error (and it's hardly alone).<br><br>I do trust however you won't remove Wayne from the peace lists, whatever his sins against decorum.<br><br>Stopping taunting (if that's what it is) in a political group is no substitute for stopping murder by a president. The morning headlines show us again how much needs to be done there.<br><br>Regards, Carl<br><br><br>On Nov 15, 2012, at 11:41 PM, Stuart Levy <<a href="mailto:stuartnlevy@gmail.com">stuartnlevy@gmail.com</a><<a href="mailto:stuartnlevy@gmail.com">mailto:stuartnlevy@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Wayne,<br><br>Look. You can do better than this. You're too often acting in this forum like a childish bully, taunting some of the best activists I know. Why?<br><br>Maybe you're testing the system. If so, you win. I've snapped. I am cutting you off the OccupyCU list as of now. I trust you will find better words to say, but you can say them to other people.<br><br>Stuart Levy<br>_______________________________________________<br>OccupyCU mailing list<br><a href="mailto:OccupyCU@lists.chambana.net">OccupyCU@lists.chambana.net</a><<a href="mailto:OccupyCU@lists.chambana.net">mailto:OccupyCU@lists.chambana.net</a>><br><a href="http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/occupycu">http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/occupycu</a><br></blockquote><br>_______________________________________________<br>OccupyCU mailing list<br><a href="mailto:OccupyCU@lists.chambana.net">OccupyCU@lists.chambana.net</a><<a href="mailto:OccupyCU@lists.chambana.net">mailto:OccupyCU@lists.chambana.net</a>><br><a href="http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/occupycu">http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/occupycu</a><br><br><br></blockquote><br>_______________________________________________<br>Peace-discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss">http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</a><br></blockquote><br>_______________________________________________<br>Peace-discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss">http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</a></body></html>